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Shamash

(597 posts)
24. How do you figure that?
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 06:06 PM
Jan 2015

I am curious as to the methodology behind your disagreement. If two areas with radically different gun availability have about the same firearms crime rate, and areas within the same country (the US) have widely varying crime rates despite uniform federal gun laws, how do you figure that gun availability is the most important factor? If I can buy as many pistols as I want in Vermont and carry them virtually anywhere, and I can't buy a pistol at all in England, and yet the two have a comparable firearm homicide rate and overall homicide rate, then assuming availability is the biggest factor requires more than a statement of "disagreement" to be considered credible.

If you just want to say "I have no basis for my belief and refuse to change it despite any evidence to the contrary" then I understand. This means you have no rational basis for what you believe and the discussion is over. If on the other hand, you do have a solid argument to dispute my assessment that culture is a major factor, then I would love to hear it. As an aside, in addition to overall culture I believe there is economic opportunity, education, and other factors that reduce the appeal of crime (violent and otherwise), but which require political and actual capital to implement.

But if you really just want a quick fix with proven results and no votes by a Republican-majority Congress required, there have been programs in the US where the firearm homicide rate in a city (the capital of Connecticut) was dropped by 40% in one year, without banning any type of firearm or affecting regular gun owners in the least. And if someone's primary concern was decreasing the death rate, working to get programs like this implemented in other cities would probably be faster and save more lives than trying to get rid of the >99.9% of guns that are not and never will cause injury or death to anyone.

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Canada's becoming more like US 1step Dec 2014 #1
Thats a leap treestar Dec 2014 #6
Yes 1step Dec 2014 #7
Canada is still relatively highly-armed Recursion Dec 2014 #8
That's interesting. treestar Dec 2014 #9
Hush! Shamash Dec 2014 #11
Well this particular gun laundry_queen Dec 2014 #13
As I've pointed out elsewhere Shamash Dec 2014 #14
Um, I did some reading laundry_queen Jan 2015 #22
How do you figure that? Shamash Jan 2015 #24
Read my post laundry_queen Jan 2015 #25
Oh, since you put it that way Shamash Jan 2015 #26
Just as I thought. laundry_queen Jan 2015 #27
Over the past 13 years, Vermont's homicide rate is about 2.0, England & Wales about 1.3 muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #23
A "senseless mass murder"? Ken Burch Dec 2014 #2
Killing someone for ten million dollars is wrong daleo Dec 2014 #16
is there any other kind? olddad56 Dec 2014 #18
Few mass murders are sensible. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #3
Very sad shenmue Dec 2014 #4
Canada, not you too. brush Dec 2014 #5
. 1step Dec 2014 #10
In the U.S. that would be LiberalElite Dec 2014 #12
Gangs related violence has been on the increase for a while, now! Johnny Rash Dec 2014 #15
This appears to be a domestic killing daleo Dec 2014 #17
My point, exactly: It's Family related! Johnny Rash Dec 2014 #19
one thing that never seems to be asked... RussBLib Dec 2014 #20
for gun humping paranoid assholes, violence *IS* an answer Skittles Dec 2014 #21
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