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64. I am perplexed by support on DU for a politically disorganized people

Sun Jan 4, 2015, 01:14 PM

Jan 2015

many of whose leaders are violent terrorists and who want to bring back 11th century version of culture with misogyny and intolerance.

Yes, Israel may be holding land for ransom in the hopes of a lasting peace and building illegal settlements in the hopes of pressuring the peace process (neither of which I support in the absolute.) However, what options does Israel have?

The land was won fair and square during a war (the goal of which was to destroy Israel for good) and a war that was imposed on Israel. Israel didn't start that war.

Israel has a great track record of giving back land and abiding by peace treaties that it executed with Egypt and Jordan. So it is not like Israel is averse to peace with stable and reliable partners and nor is Israel averse to giving back the land.

Palestinians want to have their cake and eat it too. If they started the fucked up war and lost, the resulting occupation was self-inflicted. It is like a guy blaming the gun after shooting himself in the foot.

Isn't this obvious to the "underdog phenomenon" supporters of Hamas on DU?

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US Threatens to Cut Off Aid to Palestinians After Move to Join ICC [View all] Purveyor Jan 2015 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Jan 2015 #1

Done Jack Rabbit Jan 2015 #11

Ditto ananda Jan 2015 #27

Done. old guy Jan 2015 #28

Thank you! Done! Rhiannon12866 Jan 2015 #30

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #2

Especially contributing to the Republican Party. Fuddnik Jan 2015 #4

Is that the only reason to give aid? ann--- Jan 2015 #8

I agree... KauaiK Jan 2015 #18

What have "Jewish contributions" got to do with Israel's war crimes? another_liberal Jan 2015 #15

Countries should start sanctioning the United States for NOT joining in the ICC. Fuddnik Jan 2015 #3

Countries should hurt us? yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #17

That's one way to destroy the UN. nt hack89 Jan 2015 #25

Wrong place Jack Rabbit Jan 2015 #5

Thus proving that, like Israel, the US has no interest in peaceful resolutions Scootaloo Jan 2015 #6

+1 blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #24

+ another Scuba Jan 2015 #56

Oh, yeah ann--- Jan 2015 #7

The eyes of love . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #13

Simple retribution Deny and Shred Jan 2015 #9

Complaining is their MO Helen Borg Jan 2015 #54

Shameful. nt geek tragedy Jan 2015 #10

This takes our surreal Mid East foreign policy to a new level . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #12

no, US policy is to supply our frenemies with deadly arms so the MIC can prosper wordpix Jan 2015 #87

That sounds about right . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #95

Eventually, US sponsored violence in this country and elsewhere in world whereisjustice Jan 2015 #14

whatta shocker stupidicus Jan 2015 #16

Well, the US simply wants the Palestinians to go back to the negotiating table: R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #19

There is no negotiating table.... Helen Borg Jan 2015 #55

You forgot to mention all of the rockets they fire blindly into Palestinian areas (sarcasm) n/t Big_Mike Jan 2015 #80

Oh Woe Is You!!!! PCIntern Jan 2015 #20

I think you are mistaken. I welcome the opportunity to shine some light on the Purveyor Jan 2015 #35

And�as Mosby pointed out below, PCIntern Jan 2015 #67

did you notice what Palestine News Network did? Mosby Jan 2015 #65

Looking at a few other news stories regarding Israel, they don't seem to usually do that. Ash_F Jan 2015 #103

We were giving them aid? Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #21

We give them a lot of money every year. nt hack89 Jan 2015 #26

The U.S. gives $400 million a year in direct aid. former9thward Jan 2015 #29

Now watch Putin make up the slack for the propaganda. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #32

So what? The Palestinains dont like us anyway. They celebrate attacks on us. 7962 Jan 2015 #39

Putin is unknowingly accelerating the demise of his type.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #40

True, hope youre right nt 7962 Jan 2015 #41

Why is a population that the US clearly doesn't like supposed to like the US? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #44

Sending them $400 million+ a year in aid doesn't do that? nt WhiteAndNerdy Jan 2015 #47

That's a piddly amount with all sorts of strings attached.. Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #48

Do you know that most of the US aid to Israel branford Jan 2015 #50

Yeah, and don't forget how those US made arms are used to kill lots of Palestinians... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #52

at least we can be glad that Israel puts those arms to good use! ellenrr Jan 2015 #57

Israel doesn't begin any military operation cosmicone Jan 2015 #60

The same right that Russia has to defend itself from Ukraine, sure. Scootaloo Jan 2015 #68

Israel uses it's military to enforce illegal colonization. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #70

How did the so called colonization begin? cosmicone Jan 2015 #71

IleagalIllegal colonization is still illegal colonization. -- right? RIGHT? R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #72

Territory won in a war of self-defense is not illegal. cosmicone Jan 2015 #73

+ 1,000,000 Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #74

Somehow the scent of high school is coming off both your posts. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #76

What I smell coming from your posts cosmicone Jan 2015 #77

With each and every post you embarrass yourself further. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #78

Hardly. You have no cogent responses - only sophomerish comments cosmicone Jan 2015 #81

I'd love to see that smug colonial assurance wiped off your face once Israel is taken to the ICC. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #96

Ain't gonna happen ... cosmicone Jan 2015 #97

Reality is gonna suck for the gangsta settler crowd. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #98

Well, we've heard from the theft/colonization part of I/P. Anybody else? R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #75

You're embarassing yourself with posts like this. The Stranger Jan 2015 #86

Oh really? cosmicone Jan 2015 #90

how about arms sales in the billion$ to Turkey and Qatar? The MIC is alive and well wordpix Jan 2015 #83

Ridiculous SpankMe Jan 2015 #22

We must stop democracy in it's tracks! Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2015 #23

John Kerry, really? TRoN33 Jan 2015 #31

It's not Kerry's choice karynnj Jan 2015 #33

WTF is wrong with this country? 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #34

" We are one sick fucking country." Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #51

False choice 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #69

Yeah...let's give the Palestinians more money. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #36

Wow, 36 posts before ONE who points out the obvious! 7962 Jan 2015 #38

Haven't you been paying attention to the US Congress and the State Department? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #43

I'm referring to DU, where Israel is to blame for everything to so many 7962 Jan 2015 #58

+100000 The ME propaganda machine looks like a Nazi takeover wordpix Jan 2015 #89

Hamas leaders are worth billion$ each wordpix Jan 2015 #85

International aid goes to the PA, not Hamas Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #91

not true, it goes to Gaza & W. Bank both wordpix Jan 2015 #92

It wouldn't go to Hamas. It'd go to NGO's Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #93

True on its face, but Hamas wont let NGOs work or travel without letting them in on it 7962 Jan 2015 #100

Since when have the PA been 'jihadi crazies'? I don't believe Comrade Grumpy said that... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #42

Thank you for totally agreeing with my post. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #45

Correction. I strongly disagree with what you said... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #46

I like Comrade Grumpy too cosmicone Jan 2015 #79

' I have seen you being sympathetic to Al Q'aeda, ISIS and Hamas. ' Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #82

Calling other people na�ve doesn't further debate. cosmicone Jan 2015 #84

I said yr knowledge of the conflict was a bit limited, which it is... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #88

PA has neither real authority nor control over Hamas cosmicone Jan 2015 #94

No shit? Of course the PA has no control over Hamas... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #99

Sophistry in its purest form cosmicone Jan 2015 #101

I'd strongly suggest you start reading posts yr replying to as yr response has zero to do with it... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #102

Sophistry again cosmicone Jan 2015 #104

Exactly how is being balanced about the conflict sophistry? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #105

+1 NobodyHere Jan 2015 #49

I totally agree with you. cosmicone Jan 2015 #59

The really sad thing... Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #61

Upsurge in Palestinian 'honour killings' Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #63

I am perplexed by support on DU for a politically disorganized people cosmicone Jan 2015 #64

+1000 bro Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #66

submit the information. Sunlei Jan 2015 #37

Obedient Little Satrapy 1step Jan 2015 #53

Did somebody say, "don't bite the hand that feeds you"? Johnny Rash Jan 2015 #62