Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

DVDGuy

(53 posts)
10. But is it really a threat?
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 09:45 PM
Jan 2015
I've also seen them at just about any rock band, or secular comedian, or anything they don't think is wholesome. Let's not even mention Westboro Baptist Church and all their hate crimes in the name of "god". I know some people like think these some of these same kinds of behavior aren't happening with evangelical radical Islamic groups in Europe, but they are, they so are, and there's plenty of video proof of it all over the internet, all but few clicks on google will most certainly reveal from multiple sources.


There is no doubt that there are those that seek to impose their brand of religious fervor on others, and that's not acceptable regardless of whether they are so called Christians (Westboro Baptist Church, like you mention) or Muslims.

But my question is that is it really such a serious threat that we need thousand people marches, or is the kind of "threat" that the ilk of Faux News likes to exaggerate to inflame the public, and for their own political gains?

You mention these "kooks", Westboro and these "holier than thou" individuals, and I think everyone here is aware of them, but none of us are worried that their brand of hate will ever be anything more than a fringe element. Certainly nothing to be afraid of, nothing that needs a 30,000 people march, and no actions that could inflame the already rather tedious culture wars. Do you really think that Sharia has any chance to succeed in Western democracies, even when, say, the building of Islamic community center gets opposed these days?

But let's not kid ourselves. While there are genuine concerns, and we should all oppose some elements that Sharia represents (such as the treatment of women, and its attack on our core democratic values), but many that promoted, attended and marched in the protest have motivations that are far less innocent that that of you and I. Their hope, as always, is to use these incidents to strike up resentment between extremists on both sides of the fence, hoping for acts of violence or retribution. There are always those that seek to use this and other non-threats as a wedge issue to stoke up fear, hate and resentment in society, initially aimed at those that most accept as "extreme", but over time, expand their circle of hate ever wider to eventually encompass an entire race or religion or anything that they classify as "different".

We can all share the same sense of opposition against Sharia (although to be honest, I have to say I don't know enough about it to pass judgement, at least on all aspects of Sharia, without reservation), but we can do so without getting into bed with some truly despicable and hateful groups. Don't become be pawns in their game of hate!

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

I don't know how many of these protesters would abide by sharia law cosmicone Jan 2015 #1
Where is sharia law being "forced down anyone's throats" which is a Fox News theme, by the way? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #2
It happens.... a LOT. Burf-_- Jan 2015 #4
But is it really a threat? DVDGuy Jan 2015 #10
The wise speak of what they know. RiverNoord Jan 2015 #3
Some of us speak from personal experiences cosmicone Jan 2015 #5
spot on K&R Burf-_- Jan 2015 #6
And what's yr personal experience? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #12
I have never posted anything against Muslims as a whole cosmicone Jan 2015 #13
Sorry but you've posted some nasty stuff about Muslims, and some very recently... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #14
I am flattered that you've researched me obsessively cosmicone Jan 2015 #15
Bomb throwers in the Caucasus and the gangsters in Kosovo reorg Jan 2015 #16
I was responding to Violet_Crumble and her specific points cosmicone Jan 2015 #17
You cannot compare India with Germany reorg Jan 2015 #18
Islamization of India is always a threat cosmicone Jan 2015 #30
OK - I'm done. You are an utter idiot. RiverNoord Jan 2015 #24
East Pakistan was the first step towards balkanization of Pakistan cosmicone Jan 2015 #28
I'm glad to see many members here know your vile beliefs closeupready Jan 2015 #33
One person's vile is another person's virtuous cosmicone Jan 2015 #34
That would be the stance of many people who hold bigoted views against minority groups... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #37
You have lost all objectivity. cosmicone Jan 2015 #40
Don't thank me. Thank Google and the 57.5 seconds I had spare yesterday... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #36
You have mastered sophistry and strawman paradigms. cosmicone Jan 2015 #39
Although I do occasionally visit this forum RiverNoord Jan 2015 #22
Sounds much like political parties-- each side rationalizing its own superiority at the expense of.. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #21
also ..this Burf-_- Jan 2015 #7
Question for you. Do you support the anti-Muslim protests in Germany? n/t Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #9
Good on them. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2015 #8
Is there one single German politician advocating for sharia law in Germany? No? Not even one? Ash_F Jan 2015 #11
Would be interesting to see who exactly started that "sharia law fear". I think that line Sunlei Jan 2015 #23
In Germany I'm positive reorg Jan 2015 #26
Thank you, thats very interesting information. American 'media' must have picked it up from there, Sunlei Jan 2015 #27
K&R 1step Jan 2015 #19
Germany should have kicked out David Duke much earlier. They let him spread the hate for a year, Sunlei Jan 2015 #20
Great news: Counter-protests dwarf German anti-Islam rallies pampango Jan 2015 #25
good news. That's why the 'badguys' hate protests and protesters! :P Sunlei Jan 2015 #29
This will make many of DU's Islamophobic Bigot Brigade very unhappy. closeupready Jan 2015 #31
LOLOOLOLOLOLOLOL OH SPLENDID ! Burf-_- Jan 2015 #35
LOL - such as half the people posting this thread who are on my ignore list. closeupready Jan 2015 #32
We drew the lines..... DeSwiss Jan 2015 #38
Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Some 30,000 Germans prote...»Reply #10