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In reply to the discussion: Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo [View all]Burf-_-
(205 posts)160. islamic apologist's be like.....
"Stop painting ALL muslims with a broad brush!!"
(False: it go's without saying that not all muslims are radical terrorists, Lamest argument ever, shut up with that already.)
"We can't be sure it was an Islamic radical group yet, wait for the facts."
(False: Yes WE CAN ! It was definitely Islamic terrorists.)
"Only Racists are against Islam"
(False equivocation: A religion is not a race, any more than an apple is an orange)
" You have to prove that the majority acts of terrorism these days are perpetrated by Muslims "
(Easy Odds there: When was he last time any other group of religious extremists hell bent on mass murdering people for drawing their prophet ? How many people have they killed now for this very asinine reason ? It isn't the first time, and probably won't be the last. How many other completely irrational, misogynist terrorist crimes do Extremist versions of islam perpetrate on their own, and other people than any other ? You can easily bet that whatever the final ratio is it's going to heavily favor islamic terrorists.
" Leave Islam ALONE !!!! "
(NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!: The *quran is where these murderers get the ideas in the first place, so... NO..WE WON'T, not until a majority of **muslim countries, their clergy, and most importantly their common people come together and show they will, unilaterally, crack down HARD on the barbaric practices of the MANY, MANY extremists within it. They Must demand reform in Islam itself so that anyone caught literally acting on the violent verses in the quran will be dealt with immediate ridicule and/or excommunication, made to stand trail and to be judged by bias free secular laws for their crimes, No Sharia for them ! zero exceptions.)
* Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered/killed or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."
No reasonable person who is peaceful will act literally on these. Furthermore why would any reasonable person even want to practice this or any religion with these malicious things written in their "holy" book, which their "GOD" demands they follow ?
** Interestingly enough El si-si calls for reform against radicals in Islam : http://www.commdiginews.com/featured/egyptian-president-el-sisi-seeks-enlightenment-reform-in-the-islamic-world-32819/#2EQkhhbohYVQQTKE.99
(False: it go's without saying that not all muslims are radical terrorists, Lamest argument ever, shut up with that already.)
"We can't be sure it was an Islamic radical group yet, wait for the facts."
(False: Yes WE CAN ! It was definitely Islamic terrorists.)
"Only Racists are against Islam"
(False equivocation: A religion is not a race, any more than an apple is an orange)
" You have to prove that the majority acts of terrorism these days are perpetrated by Muslims "
(Easy Odds there: When was he last time any other group of religious extremists hell bent on mass murdering people for drawing their prophet ? How many people have they killed now for this very asinine reason ? It isn't the first time, and probably won't be the last. How many other completely irrational, misogynist terrorist crimes do Extremist versions of islam perpetrate on their own, and other people than any other ? You can easily bet that whatever the final ratio is it's going to heavily favor islamic terrorists.
" Leave Islam ALONE !!!! "
(NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!: The *quran is where these murderers get the ideas in the first place, so... NO..WE WON'T, not until a majority of **muslim countries, their clergy, and most importantly their common people come together and show they will, unilaterally, crack down HARD on the barbaric practices of the MANY, MANY extremists within it. They Must demand reform in Islam itself so that anyone caught literally acting on the violent verses in the quran will be dealt with immediate ridicule and/or excommunication, made to stand trail and to be judged by bias free secular laws for their crimes, No Sharia for them ! zero exceptions.)
* Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered/killed or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."
No reasonable person who is peaceful will act literally on these. Furthermore why would any reasonable person even want to practice this or any religion with these malicious things written in their "holy" book, which their "GOD" demands they follow ?
** Interestingly enough El si-si calls for reform against radicals in Islam : http://www.commdiginews.com/featured/egyptian-president-el-sisi-seeks-enlightenment-reform-in-the-islamic-world-32819/#2EQkhhbohYVQQTKE.99
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I am usually on the side of the outlaw, but in this case I hope these assassins are caught,
ellenrr
Jan 2015
#49
I was under the impression that even a self-defined argument is still predicated on an objective and
LanternWaste
Jan 2015
#140
Sort of like how Jonathan Pollard gave ammunition to Stormfront, I suppose
shaayecanaan
Jan 2015
#194
I am sitting in France at this moment and I can assure you no such thing is happening.
CBGLuthier
Jan 2015
#22
That is absolutely GOLDEN! Didnt get to see what u were responding to, but I can imagine!!
7962
Feb 2015
#200
Ah, the old favorite, compare a comment to "Stormfront". Weak. But not surprising
7962
Jan 2015
#184
Hey, the New York Times reported on 150 no-go zones TEN years ago. Guess they're in a bubble too.
7962
Feb 2015
#203
Yeah, I never thought I'd see an article from the NY Times that would back Fox either.
7962
Feb 2015
#207
As stated on msnbc, they were going to feature the book "Submission" this week
AngryAmish
Jan 2015
#21
#BREAKING France raises Paris alert status to highest level after newspaper shooting
Bosonic
Jan 2015
#6
At the moment there is actually no evidence who they are or their motives.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#41
I was referring to the national security alert assuming something without evidence...not to you
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#47
It was already reported, by the time you wrote that, they shouted "we have avenged the rophet"
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2015
#97
" Of course the magazine has been creating this situation." ?! are you being satirical?
ellenrr
Jan 2015
#28
What precision and training do you need with assault rifles against an office of journalists?
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#43
I imagine we all of us like to pretend our "stuff" is better than "their "stuff."
LanternWaste
Jan 2015
#142
Eleven dead in shooting at Paris offices of satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo – live updates
Bosonic
Jan 2015
#12
Same applies precisely to national borders-- which also divides by its very nature.
LanternWaste
Jan 2015
#146
link? Major French progressives were murdered, so it would be RW or other extremists cheering
uhnope
Jan 2015
#137
Thank you for this article. This was what I was thinking when I read about this and the cartoon.
jwirr
Jan 2015
#82
Charlie Hebdo Staffer: 'It Lasted Five Minutes... They Spoke French Perfectly'
riversedge
Jan 2015
#128
They are segueing into getting Americans fearful...unless there is a plane crash that is their other
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#181