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In reply to the discussion: Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo [View all]LeftishBrit
(41,445 posts)188. Umm?
Stop painting ALL muslims with a broad brush!!"
(False: it go's without saying that not all muslims are radical terrorists, Lamest argument ever, shut up with that already.)
Goes without saying? People like the EDL and LePen go around implying it all the time. Even though most victims of radical Muslim terrorists are in fact Muslims.
"We can't be sure it was an Islamic radical group yet, wait for the facts."
Who's been saying that? There is no doubt that they were Islamic radicals. What isn't yet clear is which group they belonged to.
"Only Racists are against Islam"
(False equivocation: A religion is not a race, any more than an apple is an orange)
It's not ONLY racists of course; but an awful lot of racists are against Islam mainly because it's a religion of a lot of furriners and immigrants. The same type of people hated furriners and immigrants long before jihadism even became an issue.
" You have to prove that the majority acts of terrorism these days are perpetrated by Muslims "
(Easy Odds there: When was he last time any other group of religious extremists hell bent on mass murdering people for drawing their prophet ? How many people have they killed now for this very asinine reason ? It isn't the first time, and probably won't be the last. How many other completely irrational, misogynist terrorist crimes do Extremist versions of islam perpetrate on their own, and other people than any other ? You can easily bet that whatever the final ratio is it's going to heavily favor islamic terrorists.
Well, obviously it would be Muslims who specifically objected to people ''drawing their prophet"; but there are terrorists of many religions and ideologies. 'Majority these days' - possibly, depending on how you define 'terrorism' as distinct from e.g. 'civil war' or 'gangsterism'. . But pre-1997 most terrorism in the UK for example stemmed from conflict between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland.
" Leave Islam ALONE !!!! "
(NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!: The *quran is where these murderers get the ideas in the first place -
Most unlikely - they got their ideas from radical leaders of the present day.
NO..WE WON'T, not until a majority of **muslim countries, their clergy, and most importantly their common people come together and show they will, unilaterally, crack down HARD on the barbaric practices of the MANY, MANY extremists within
So what do you propose that 'we' do about it? Go to war with all Muslim countries?
(False: it go's without saying that not all muslims are radical terrorists, Lamest argument ever, shut up with that already.)
Goes without saying? People like the EDL and LePen go around implying it all the time. Even though most victims of radical Muslim terrorists are in fact Muslims.
"We can't be sure it was an Islamic radical group yet, wait for the facts."
Who's been saying that? There is no doubt that they were Islamic radicals. What isn't yet clear is which group they belonged to.
"Only Racists are against Islam"
(False equivocation: A religion is not a race, any more than an apple is an orange)
It's not ONLY racists of course; but an awful lot of racists are against Islam mainly because it's a religion of a lot of furriners and immigrants. The same type of people hated furriners and immigrants long before jihadism even became an issue.
" You have to prove that the majority acts of terrorism these days are perpetrated by Muslims "
(Easy Odds there: When was he last time any other group of religious extremists hell bent on mass murdering people for drawing their prophet ? How many people have they killed now for this very asinine reason ? It isn't the first time, and probably won't be the last. How many other completely irrational, misogynist terrorist crimes do Extremist versions of islam perpetrate on their own, and other people than any other ? You can easily bet that whatever the final ratio is it's going to heavily favor islamic terrorists.
Well, obviously it would be Muslims who specifically objected to people ''drawing their prophet"; but there are terrorists of many religions and ideologies. 'Majority these days' - possibly, depending on how you define 'terrorism' as distinct from e.g. 'civil war' or 'gangsterism'. . But pre-1997 most terrorism in the UK for example stemmed from conflict between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland.
" Leave Islam ALONE !!!! "
(NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!: The *quran is where these murderers get the ideas in the first place -
Most unlikely - they got their ideas from radical leaders of the present day.
NO..WE WON'T, not until a majority of **muslim countries, their clergy, and most importantly their common people come together and show they will, unilaterally, crack down HARD on the barbaric practices of the MANY, MANY extremists within
So what do you propose that 'we' do about it? Go to war with all Muslim countries?
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I am usually on the side of the outlaw, but in this case I hope these assassins are caught,
ellenrr
Jan 2015
#49
I was under the impression that even a self-defined argument is still predicated on an objective and
LanternWaste
Jan 2015
#140
Sort of like how Jonathan Pollard gave ammunition to Stormfront, I suppose
shaayecanaan
Jan 2015
#194
I am sitting in France at this moment and I can assure you no such thing is happening.
CBGLuthier
Jan 2015
#22
That is absolutely GOLDEN! Didnt get to see what u were responding to, but I can imagine!!
7962
Feb 2015
#200
Ah, the old favorite, compare a comment to "Stormfront". Weak. But not surprising
7962
Jan 2015
#184
Hey, the New York Times reported on 150 no-go zones TEN years ago. Guess they're in a bubble too.
7962
Feb 2015
#203
Yeah, I never thought I'd see an article from the NY Times that would back Fox either.
7962
Feb 2015
#207
As stated on msnbc, they were going to feature the book "Submission" this week
AngryAmish
Jan 2015
#21
#BREAKING France raises Paris alert status to highest level after newspaper shooting
Bosonic
Jan 2015
#6
At the moment there is actually no evidence who they are or their motives.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#41
I was referring to the national security alert assuming something without evidence...not to you
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#47
It was already reported, by the time you wrote that, they shouted "we have avenged the rophet"
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2015
#97
" Of course the magazine has been creating this situation." ?! are you being satirical?
ellenrr
Jan 2015
#28
What precision and training do you need with assault rifles against an office of journalists?
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#43
I imagine we all of us like to pretend our "stuff" is better than "their "stuff."
LanternWaste
Jan 2015
#142
Eleven dead in shooting at Paris offices of satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo – live updates
Bosonic
Jan 2015
#12
Same applies precisely to national borders-- which also divides by its very nature.
LanternWaste
Jan 2015
#146
link? Major French progressives were murdered, so it would be RW or other extremists cheering
uhnope
Jan 2015
#137
Thank you for this article. This was what I was thinking when I read about this and the cartoon.
jwirr
Jan 2015
#82
Charlie Hebdo Staffer: 'It Lasted Five Minutes... They Spoke French Perfectly'
riversedge
Jan 2015
#128
They are segueing into getting Americans fearful...unless there is a plane crash that is their other
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#181