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RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
28. I am so sick of people like you twisting reason to its breaking point to justify your politics.
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 08:13 PM
Jan 2015

On a post above, you equated differences in nations' internal civil rights norms and laws with a refusal to accept the legitimacy of a specific nation - Israel. There is no logical connection between the two. Does refusing to accept the Russian annexation of the Crimea as legitimate mean that Poland has major human rights problems? One is utterly unrelated to the other.

Yes, a few countries in the region we refer to as the 'middle east' have what many Americans would consider severely repressive laws concerning political dissent, corporal punishment, and gender relations. So do almost exclusively Christian countries such as Uganda - the 'kill the gays' law that was very recently signed by the country's President (life in prison for simply being gay - just barely got watered down from the death penalty) and was heavily backed by American fundamentalist Christians, is a crystal clear example.

In the Ugandan example, does that mean that Ugandan Christains are terrorists? Or, perhaps we should militarily intervene in order to force the Ugandans to respect our recently evolved norms concerning homosexuality? Is it impossible to simply accept that people around the world have different perspectives on things, including what we consider human rights?

American norms and, say (in the case of this topic), French norms differ immensely. For example, the French are extremely secular, and ban the wearing of virtually any religious symbol in primary and secondary school. This includes crosses, stars of David, headscarves, etc. Could such a law ever pass in the United States? No - it would go strongly against American values and would, with no doubt, violate the provisions of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. How about European laws and norms concerning private ownership of firearms? UK laws concerning wide-scale use of surveillance cameras in almost every significant public space?

It seems to me that, if you are so upset about what you seem to consider human rights in the 'middle east,' you should also be fiercely speaking out against extremist secularism in France and Ugandan brutality against gays. But you don't. It wouldn't serve to reinforce your biases or political perspective.

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many here confuse them also uhnope Jan 2015 #1
Unbelievable. People are being blinded by the inability to seperate the usurpers of a religion from Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #2
Sadly, very sadly believable to me. RiverNoord Jan 2015 #22
Is a terrorist a true Muslim or is the one that denounces the terrorist a true Muslim????????? politicman Jan 2015 #29
The error is in the expression "a true Muslim." Igel Jan 2015 #35
More like different people interpreting the religion to suit their cultural needs..... politicman Jan 2015 #39
I would have voted to Leave It Alone 840high Jan 2015 #21
Watch the video. His brother is eloquent and speaks for many LuckyLib Jan 2015 #3
Where are these voices of reason on American TV? France and Germany are doing everything right Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #4
are you sure they are not there? uhnope Jan 2015 #10
I watched the video inanna Jan 2015 #23
The difference is the laws that many Muslim countries have. Thats the giveaway. 7962 Jan 2015 #5
k&r Burf-_- Jan 2015 #6
What are you talking about? What nation is "sanctioning" this attack? Name one of these many nations. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #7
Where did I say any nation sanctioned the attack? You used quotes, did you READ the post? 7962 Jan 2015 #11
sigh.... Burf-_- Jan 2015 #16
Saudi Arabia is one of the worst. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #20
Thanks for bringing that up. Perfect example of what I mean 7962 Jan 2015 #24
I am so sick of people like you twisting reason to its breaking point to justify your politics. RiverNoord Jan 2015 #28
You're having a hard time understanding the post. I'll try to explain 7962 Jan 2015 #31
No - I understand your posts perfectly. RiverNoord Jan 2015 #51
Well, at least you're impressed with yourself aren't you? 7962 Jan 2015 #52
fred.... Burf-_- Jan 2015 #13
Sam Harris is your go to guy? Go for it. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #17
and Niel Shenvi is yours...lol Burf-_- Jan 2015 #19
So then, do we condemn every follower of Islam? Including the policeman in the OP? nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #8
That is the message, it is a joke of a message. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #12
I did not condemn every follower of Islam in my post 7962 Jan 2015 #26
Sure there's a difference, just not as much of one as people like to believe. nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #45
Agreed 7962 Jan 2015 #46
excellent points. a blogger is now being blogged and put in prison in one of the arab countries samsingh Jan 2015 #14
Good post. 840high Jan 2015 #18
The policeman and his family are in France. What's yr point? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #25
Read my post. Very simple. Those people are not who I am talking about. nt 7962 Jan 2015 #27
I read it. Seeing yr not talking about the OP, was there any purpose other than to derail? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #30
Many times here the post HAS to be simple. 7962 Jan 2015 #33
Simplistic, not simple. btw, I added something to my post you just replied to... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #34
Yet they continue to support those who foment the extreme laws 7962 Jan 2015 #36
'They' as in most Muslims? Again, what does that have to do with the French family of the cop? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #38
And what country are YOU from? 7962 Jan 2015 #40
Don't like yr own logic when it's turned back on you, I see... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #48
And what country are YOU from? 7962 Jan 2015 #49
I'm from a small and obscure country called Murdochistan... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #53
Yet, I still always wanted to visit there..... 7962 Jan 2015 #54
Travel tips for if you ever do - avoid the Murdoch press and cricket games... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #55
Its not like the Muslim populations get to decide which laws they have to follow........ politicman Jan 2015 #32
Oh yes, we're very supportive of Indonesian Muslim led countries; or Iran, etc. Right. nt 7962 Jan 2015 #37
'Indonesian Muslim led countries'?? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #41
Well, yes, but in name only 7962 Jan 2015 #43
No, not in name only. Using that sort of thing, the US is only a secular democracy in name only... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #47
wow, is that the best you could come up with, hahaha politicman Jan 2015 #42
As I said, the only way to stop it is from within. 7962 Jan 2015 #44
You know who scares me the most? Bragi Jan 2015 #9
so is the anger placed against those who killed his brother in the name of religion samsingh Jan 2015 #15
Christians blackcrow Jan 2015 #50
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