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Violet_Crumble

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47. No, not in name only. Using that sort of thing, the US is only a secular democracy in name only...
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 01:00 AM
Jan 2015

You also have religious extremists trying to fuck things up.

Some facts, that I'm positive you'll ignore. Indonesia made the transition from an authoritarian regime to democracy back in 1998. Prior to that, Islamist parties were banned from participating in politics. After the transition to democracy they were allowed to, but have always fared poorly in the general elections. All three general elections since the transition have been won by secular parties and there's no sign of that changing.

Indonesia's generally a stable but young democracy. It has challenges like those from extremists, an economy that's not exactly a powerhouse, and corruption. But it's issues haven't been, and aren't now that it's some Muslim state with religious law. Its issue was pretty much the same as the US and other countries - wanting to control territory that doesn't belong to it (East Timor and West Papua). It finally gave up on East Timor which finally gained independence, but still occupies West Papua. So there's plenty of criticism to be aimed at Indonesia without having to make up some bullshit about it being some Muslim theocracy...

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many here confuse them also uhnope Jan 2015 #1
Unbelievable. People are being blinded by the inability to seperate the usurpers of a religion from Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #2
Sadly, very sadly believable to me. RiverNoord Jan 2015 #22
Is a terrorist a true Muslim or is the one that denounces the terrorist a true Muslim????????? politicman Jan 2015 #29
The error is in the expression "a true Muslim." Igel Jan 2015 #35
More like different people interpreting the religion to suit their cultural needs..... politicman Jan 2015 #39
I would have voted to Leave It Alone 840high Jan 2015 #21
Watch the video. His brother is eloquent and speaks for many LuckyLib Jan 2015 #3
Where are these voices of reason on American TV? France and Germany are doing everything right Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #4
are you sure they are not there? uhnope Jan 2015 #10
I watched the video inanna Jan 2015 #23
The difference is the laws that many Muslim countries have. Thats the giveaway. 7962 Jan 2015 #5
k&r Burf-_- Jan 2015 #6
What are you talking about? What nation is "sanctioning" this attack? Name one of these many nations. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #7
Where did I say any nation sanctioned the attack? You used quotes, did you READ the post? 7962 Jan 2015 #11
sigh.... Burf-_- Jan 2015 #16
Saudi Arabia is one of the worst. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #20
Thanks for bringing that up. Perfect example of what I mean 7962 Jan 2015 #24
I am so sick of people like you twisting reason to its breaking point to justify your politics. RiverNoord Jan 2015 #28
You're having a hard time understanding the post. I'll try to explain 7962 Jan 2015 #31
No - I understand your posts perfectly. RiverNoord Jan 2015 #51
Well, at least you're impressed with yourself aren't you? 7962 Jan 2015 #52
fred.... Burf-_- Jan 2015 #13
Sam Harris is your go to guy? Go for it. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #17
and Niel Shenvi is yours...lol Burf-_- Jan 2015 #19
So then, do we condemn every follower of Islam? Including the policeman in the OP? nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #8
That is the message, it is a joke of a message. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #12
I did not condemn every follower of Islam in my post 7962 Jan 2015 #26
Sure there's a difference, just not as much of one as people like to believe. nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #45
Agreed 7962 Jan 2015 #46
excellent points. a blogger is now being blogged and put in prison in one of the arab countries samsingh Jan 2015 #14
Good post. 840high Jan 2015 #18
The policeman and his family are in France. What's yr point? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #25
Read my post. Very simple. Those people are not who I am talking about. nt 7962 Jan 2015 #27
I read it. Seeing yr not talking about the OP, was there any purpose other than to derail? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #30
Many times here the post HAS to be simple. 7962 Jan 2015 #33
Simplistic, not simple. btw, I added something to my post you just replied to... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #34
Yet they continue to support those who foment the extreme laws 7962 Jan 2015 #36
'They' as in most Muslims? Again, what does that have to do with the French family of the cop? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #38
And what country are YOU from? 7962 Jan 2015 #40
Don't like yr own logic when it's turned back on you, I see... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #48
And what country are YOU from? 7962 Jan 2015 #49
I'm from a small and obscure country called Murdochistan... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #53
Yet, I still always wanted to visit there..... 7962 Jan 2015 #54
Travel tips for if you ever do - avoid the Murdoch press and cricket games... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #55
Its not like the Muslim populations get to decide which laws they have to follow........ politicman Jan 2015 #32
Oh yes, we're very supportive of Indonesian Muslim led countries; or Iran, etc. Right. nt 7962 Jan 2015 #37
'Indonesian Muslim led countries'?? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #41
Well, yes, but in name only 7962 Jan 2015 #43
No, not in name only. Using that sort of thing, the US is only a secular democracy in name only... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #47
wow, is that the best you could come up with, hahaha politicman Jan 2015 #42
As I said, the only way to stop it is from within. 7962 Jan 2015 #44
You know who scares me the most? Bragi Jan 2015 #9
so is the anger placed against those who killed his brother in the name of religion samsingh Jan 2015 #15
Christians blackcrow Jan 2015 #50
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