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RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
51. No - I understand your posts perfectly.
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:20 PM
Jan 2015

I definitely do not require your 'explanation,' as your stances are quite clear. You are very much pro-Likud modern Israel and anti-Islam everywhere. You are willing to use twisted mis-translations such as 'calling for the elimination of Israel,' as support for your perspectives. I also believe that anti-'apostasy' laws are utterly wrong - but that doesn't mean that you and I are right about this. These laws are simply means of social control by authorities, and every country has those. By the way, the following verses are from the King James Bible - Deuteronomy 13, verses 6-10:

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die
; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.


Of course, it's also part of the Torah. The concept of apostasy (the term is of Greek derivation) originated with Judaism/Christianity, not Islam.

'There are no anti-gay plots being carried out across the world'? Are you really that stupid? How much terrorism have gays suffered over the years, and how much continues? Lots. Russia, a Christian majority nation, has outlawed virtually any form of expression that suggests that being gay is OK. Concurrently, there have been organized, video recorded brutal attacks on gay men throughout the country, which are, by their very nature, 'anti-gay plots.' Do some research. It's ugly.

Finally, are you against Israel's nearly continuous annexation of land seized in several of its wars? This is being done in direct contravention to the Geneva Conventions and the United Nations treaties on the treatment of land occupied as a result of warfare. We are signatory to these conventions and treaties. Are you as repulsed by such open, decades-long violations of internationally established human rights as you are by anti-apostasy laws in some Muslim countries? I already know the answer, of course. By your statement 'You're having a hard time understanding the post,' you strongly imply an intellectual basis for your arguments, which someone like myself, who is, frankly, wiser and more aware of many aspects of human nature than you are, is unable to comprehend. You're not only ignorant - you're condescendingly ignorant, which is actually an effective strategy of criticism employed by many of the worst of the Republican political party.

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many here confuse them also uhnope Jan 2015 #1
Unbelievable. People are being blinded by the inability to seperate the usurpers of a religion from Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #2
Sadly, very sadly believable to me. RiverNoord Jan 2015 #22
Is a terrorist a true Muslim or is the one that denounces the terrorist a true Muslim????????? politicman Jan 2015 #29
The error is in the expression "a true Muslim." Igel Jan 2015 #35
More like different people interpreting the religion to suit their cultural needs..... politicman Jan 2015 #39
I would have voted to Leave It Alone 840high Jan 2015 #21
Watch the video. His brother is eloquent and speaks for many LuckyLib Jan 2015 #3
Where are these voices of reason on American TV? France and Germany are doing everything right Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #4
are you sure they are not there? uhnope Jan 2015 #10
I watched the video inanna Jan 2015 #23
The difference is the laws that many Muslim countries have. Thats the giveaway. 7962 Jan 2015 #5
k&r Burf-_- Jan 2015 #6
What are you talking about? What nation is "sanctioning" this attack? Name one of these many nations. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #7
Where did I say any nation sanctioned the attack? You used quotes, did you READ the post? 7962 Jan 2015 #11
sigh.... Burf-_- Jan 2015 #16
Saudi Arabia is one of the worst. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #20
Thanks for bringing that up. Perfect example of what I mean 7962 Jan 2015 #24
I am so sick of people like you twisting reason to its breaking point to justify your politics. RiverNoord Jan 2015 #28
You're having a hard time understanding the post. I'll try to explain 7962 Jan 2015 #31
No - I understand your posts perfectly. RiverNoord Jan 2015 #51
Well, at least you're impressed with yourself aren't you? 7962 Jan 2015 #52
fred.... Burf-_- Jan 2015 #13
Sam Harris is your go to guy? Go for it. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #17
and Niel Shenvi is yours...lol Burf-_- Jan 2015 #19
So then, do we condemn every follower of Islam? Including the policeman in the OP? nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #8
That is the message, it is a joke of a message. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #12
I did not condemn every follower of Islam in my post 7962 Jan 2015 #26
Sure there's a difference, just not as much of one as people like to believe. nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #45
Agreed 7962 Jan 2015 #46
excellent points. a blogger is now being blogged and put in prison in one of the arab countries samsingh Jan 2015 #14
Good post. 840high Jan 2015 #18
The policeman and his family are in France. What's yr point? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #25
Read my post. Very simple. Those people are not who I am talking about. nt 7962 Jan 2015 #27
I read it. Seeing yr not talking about the OP, was there any purpose other than to derail? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #30
Many times here the post HAS to be simple. 7962 Jan 2015 #33
Simplistic, not simple. btw, I added something to my post you just replied to... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #34
Yet they continue to support those who foment the extreme laws 7962 Jan 2015 #36
'They' as in most Muslims? Again, what does that have to do with the French family of the cop? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #38
And what country are YOU from? 7962 Jan 2015 #40
Don't like yr own logic when it's turned back on you, I see... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #48
And what country are YOU from? 7962 Jan 2015 #49
I'm from a small and obscure country called Murdochistan... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #53
Yet, I still always wanted to visit there..... 7962 Jan 2015 #54
Travel tips for if you ever do - avoid the Murdoch press and cricket games... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #55
Its not like the Muslim populations get to decide which laws they have to follow........ politicman Jan 2015 #32
Oh yes, we're very supportive of Indonesian Muslim led countries; or Iran, etc. Right. nt 7962 Jan 2015 #37
'Indonesian Muslim led countries'?? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #41
Well, yes, but in name only 7962 Jan 2015 #43
No, not in name only. Using that sort of thing, the US is only a secular democracy in name only... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #47
wow, is that the best you could come up with, hahaha politicman Jan 2015 #42
As I said, the only way to stop it is from within. 7962 Jan 2015 #44
You know who scares me the most? Bragi Jan 2015 #9
so is the anger placed against those who killed his brother in the name of religion samsingh Jan 2015 #15
Christians blackcrow Jan 2015 #50
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