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18. You should have read the article. It explains quite clearly Brennan's position and has relevant
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 06:18 PM
Jan 2015

information regarding the entire ordeal.

First, Brennan disputes that he said "whatever means necessary", which I tend to believe only because people in his position don't give open-ended orders like that. It's ridiculous. Someone could interpret that to mean kill everyone who stands in your way. But even if he did say something to that effect,most people don't consider that as carte blanche to do something potentially illegal.

From the report:

Brennan, however, staunchly denied to the Inspector General that he had ever ordered such an invasive search. When asked about his alleged order to use "whatever means necessary," Brennan said that he "would never use those words," according to the IG report. The director said that he "only" recalled asking whether the lawyers were sure Senate staff had actually obtained the internal CIA material.


Plus, Brennan was trying to get what he needed (proof that the CIA info had been stolen/removed from their offices) so he could brief Congress and others. Again, from the report:

Additionally, a CIA Accountability Review Board defended Brennan in findings also released on Wednesday, saying the spy chief had not understood the kind of computer search that would be required to determine what he wanted to know.

“A misunderstanding ... arose because [Brennan] did not appreciate what forensic techniques were necessary to answer his questions,” the Accountability Review Board wrote in its report.


Brennan was very interested in briefing the Senate committee, but had been advised by legal counsel that he could not brief them or the White House until he was certain Senate investigators had the documents in their posessions:


Although Brennan apparently told the lawyer he wanted to inform Feinstein and the Senate Intelligence Committee of the computer search as soon as possible, the CIA chief said that conversation couldn’t happen until the agency was sure of how committee staffers had accessed the document.



Brennan hasn't been fired because he hasn't done anything fire-worthy. He was investigating the theft/leak of classified material. Material that was in the process of being declassified, so it's not like the Senate committee wouldn't have seen it in the future. In doing so he asked the investigators on his side to find out if they had it, not understanding what they would have to do computer-wise to answer his questions.

Whether separation of powers was violated is unknown. It is clear there was no intention to do so as Brennan and others sought legal counsel through their entire investigation. Let's not forget that Feinstein's staffers had in their possession material they weren't cleared for. It was also unknown how they got it Did they steal it? Was the CIA supposed to not follow up? They wouldn't have handled the investigation once they knew for certain someone on the Senate committees staff had the documents. Then it would have been turned over to the IG.

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Am I the only one who thinks this is deadly serious and troubling TwilightGardener Jan 2015 #1
If true, it sounds like big-time wrongdoing to me. arcane1 Jan 2015 #2
It makes me queasy to my stomach, to be honest. TwilightGardener Jan 2015 #5
If it is accurate, H2O Man Jan 2015 #10
Yes. I would hope Obama did not know this was all going on. TwilightGardener Jan 2015 #13
"Need to know" is well known among alfredo Jan 2015 #25
Well, they would want him to have plausible deniability, if nothing else. TwilightGardener Jan 2015 #26
Yeah, they have to go. alfredo Jan 2015 #28
Nope you are not alone on that, it is big trouble if true. zeemike Jan 2015 #6
I guess we just figured out why Brennan hasn't been fired yet. TwilightGardener Jan 2015 #8
Well I won't take that bet. zeemike Jan 2015 #11
Director Brennan and Chief of Staff McDonough would have to go KeepItReal Jan 2015 #12
Interestingly, though, the CIA Inspector General has very recently resigned TwilightGardener Jan 2015 #16
You should have read the article. It explains quite clearly Brennan's position and has relevant okaawhatever Jan 2015 #18
Brennan is a known liar. He openly lied about the CIA breaking into TwilightGardener Jan 2015 #23
To answer your question, yes. But ... aggiesal Jan 2015 #7
No. Hissyspit Jan 2015 #27
This would explain why Kelvin Mace Jan 2015 #32
Yes, possibly. It also explains the handpicked CIA investigation panel TwilightGardener Jan 2015 #33
Guess We Know What Side The White House Is On billhicks76 Jan 2015 #41
Now THIS is something to genuinely be upset about. Vinca Jan 2015 #3
Everyone does it.... ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2015 #4
Something about old news. Something about Obama haters... n/t RufusTFirefly Jan 2015 #9
Something about if Congress is doing nothing wrong, they have nothing to worry about. IDemo Jan 2015 #15
It was the Senate doncha know Autumn Jan 2015 #21
This was cleared with Obama? This is a big fucking deal, not in a good way. Autumn Jan 2015 #14
It doesn't say it was cleared with Obama, they're just trying to make you think that. You really okaawhatever Jan 2015 #19
Seriously. You really gonna try that one? And gonna toss in the Senate's dirty hands too? Autumn Jan 2015 #20
Absolutely. I'm interested in the facts. I bothered to learn them. My mistake if I thought that's okaawhatever Jan 2015 #22
Go look up DiFi's comments about this - she has laid it all out for everyone to see Hestia Jan 2015 #39
Yes, she did do that but that was after she was already caught. I don't know if Difi did the right okaawhatever Jan 2015 #40
She didn't take jack - if you *read*, you will see where she states that the Senate Staff Hestia Jan 2015 #45
Who's in Charge tiptonic Jan 2015 #17
The MIC. DeSwiss Jan 2015 #36
McDonough spoke to Brennan without speaking to Obama about... grasswire Jan 2015 #24
Nope, sorry, I still think Feinstein is correct in this - remember her Senate Floor Speech? Hestia Jan 2015 #29
Hestia, highlight the quoted material, then click the "excerpt" tag tblue37 Jan 2015 #37
Oh! okay, I got it! Thank you so much! Hestia Jan 2015 #38
You're welcome! nt tblue37 Jan 2015 #42
This is not good. blackspade Jan 2015 #30
Agreed, agreed, agreed. This could be a constitutional crisis and I do not like it at Hestia Jan 2015 #31
K&R DeSwiss Jan 2015 #34
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #35
K&R! elias49 Jan 2015 #43
Seems like 'we the people' elias49 Jan 2015 #44
+1 Hestia Jan 2015 #46
Just when you think it couldn't get any Aerows Jan 2015 #47
and a big K & R! n/t wildbilln864 Jan 2015 #48
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