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33. Yes it does if one of those 60 votes is Lieberman.

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:47 AM

Jan 2015

Lieberman was an Independent at that point even though he continued to caucus with Dems, but he always voted like a Republican. He fucking endorsed McCain over Obama. He voted against tax increases. He and other conservadems would have never voted for a $320 Billion tax increase on anyone when we were in the throws of the worst part of the great recession. Obama used those precious few days to push through the auto industry bailout and the Recovery Act, which got us out of the worst of the recession and stopped the job losses.

Now that the economy is growing, he has a better environment to propose spreading that growth around rather than letting it all go to the 1%. Even if it doesn't get past the GOP, it does make it crystal clear for the voters where Dems stand. Hopefully that will get Dems off their asses in 2016 so that we can win back the House and Senate, and keep the White House.

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President Obama Will Seek to Reduce Taxes for Middle Class [View all] Mira Jan 2015 OP

Lotsa luck. nt onehandle Jan 2015 #1

Good. lovemydog Jan 2015 #2

Much preferably when they are in the majority, not when the most Republican Congress since 1928 merrily Jan 2015 #52

Yes, no kidding. lovemydog Jan 2015 #77

Exactly! Who are they kidding? raindaddy Jan 2015 #87

Two things ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #98

Two Things raindaddy Jan 2015 #101

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #102

Haters gotta hate.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #111

The truth just looks like hate to some..... raindaddy Jan 2015 #115

Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #117

Do you even understand how the drastic tax cuts on the wealthy have hurt the middle class? raindaddy Jan 2015 #118

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #119

This isn't that hard... raindaddy Jan 2015 #125

I don't have a great deal of time to dispute the above ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #127

As if we could JUST return to the tax rate of the 1950's..... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #128

Great idea! raindaddy Jan 2015 #131

And mine is about YOUR disingenuous suggestion that we COULD return to 1950's tax rates... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #134

I didn't make that suggestion. raindaddy Jan 2015 #138

No....but you disingenuously want to blame this President for doing something about it.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #139

Trickle Down Has Been Such a Success raindaddy Jan 2015 #129

No one here says it has....but please do tell us how YOUR campaign plans to magically turn it all VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #135

My first inclination..... raindaddy Jan 2015 #137

Yeah that whole 24 days they had that right? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #140

I think that after this election dotymed Jan 2015 #100

I Hope You're Right! raindaddy Jan 2015 #103

They are already in action, having been sworn in to office on January 13th. Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #113

Too bad Obama won't fight for it. Boner will come in and give him that orange scowl, and it'll be blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #3

Now?????? NOW??????? dixiegrrrrl Jan 2015 #4

Obama needs us all to help him with this... riversedge Jan 2015 #5

The GOP controls the House and Senate... deutsey Jan 2015 #6

Yep. NO points for proposing measures you know are doomed from the get go. Sorry! blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #7

exactly! well said....n/t wildbilln864 Jan 2015 #14

So Obama should only push proposals that the GOP will agree to? nt SunSeeker Jan 2015 #31

No... tjl148 Jan 2015 #92

Well, because ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #99

No, you don't push huge tax increases in the depths of a huge recession. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #126

Obama just can't please some people. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #27

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #45

I think Washington kabuki warrants points OFF. merrily Jan 2015 #57

He only had a filibuster proof majority for 24 working days. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #70

False. Google the time period--and this time, count Kennedy's place holder, who would have voted merrily Jan 2015 #136

It is not false. I did Google it. Kennedy did not have a "placeholder." SunSeeker Jan 2015 #141

The time there were 60 in the Dem caucus exceeded 24 days by a lot and a placeholder handpicked merrily Jan 2015 #142

Links please. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #143

I have posted a link to a calendar that shows that so many times. merrily Jan 2015 #144

No link = lie. nt SunSeeker Jan 2015 #145

No, no link = no link period. And you wonder why I didn't leap to google for you on command? merrily Jan 2015 #146

No, I'm not wondering why you're not giving me a link. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #147

No, you're just lying about why I didn't give you a link. merrily Jan 2015 #148

I haven't ignored what you've said up to now. You made the claim, not me. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #149

Again, don't care. merrily Jan 2015 #150

Yes, it is pretty obvious you don't care. nt SunSeeker Jan 2015 #151

Good. Glad I succeeded. nt merrily Jan 2015 #152

Yes, you succeeded in establishing you lied. nt SunSeeker Jan 2015 #153

Your lie about my refusal to be your google monkey doesn't establish diddly. merrily Jan 2015 #154

I didn't lie about you refusing to Google. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #155

As a reply to my Post 144, your Post 145 was a lie and now your Reply 155 lied about Post 145. merrily Jan 2015 #158

try this rtracey Jan 2015 #156

If actual working days are counted, it is 24 days of supermajority. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #157

He's been pushing a liberal agenda from day one. NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #20

There is nothing liberal about indefinite detention or drone killing innocent people. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #29

The ACA, auto bailout, and Recovery Act were not "kowtowing" to the Republicans. nt SunSeeker Jan 2015 #39

I agree, but those don't make up a "liberal agenda" when weighed against the items rhett o rick Jan 2015 #71

That's your opinion. That is not a fact. nt SunSeeker Jan 2015 #73

Do you disagree? Do you think his stands on torture, indefinite detention and NSA domestic rhett o rick Jan 2015 #74

Overall, yes, I think he is a liberal. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #76

And there is PLENTY of Liberal ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #46

I agree with your list but it's hardly a "liberal agenda" when weighed against the rhett o rick Jan 2015 #72

Hardly a "liberal agenda" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #83

Some people have a very loose definition of the term "liberal". If you support Wall Street rhett o rick Jan 2015 #89

And other folk ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #90

Your post makes no sense. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #110

Was typing on a smart-phone ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #116

Some people think that if they are liberal on one or two issues, then they are liberal. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #120

And liberals don't ignore racism/sexism/misogyny ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #121

What if you support only the portion of wall street that handles union pension plans? Aren't there 24601 Jan 2015 #130

Not sure if I understand your take, but some are willing to support Wall Street rhett o rick Jan 2015 #133

+ 1000 red dog 1 Jan 2015 #93

+1000. Obama's sock puppets come here w/their phony 11-dimensional chess BS, but we're not fooled, blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #107

I'm with you tavalon Jan 2015 #40

Um...he's already signed multiple tax cuts for the middle class. NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #21

Obama already pushed for a tax cut and also raised taxes on the rich in 2013. Drunken Irishman Jan 2015 #41

"More pliable Congress"? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #44

How about his first SIX years, during all of which Democrats were in the majority. merrily Jan 2015 #54

So yesterday they attack him for not proposing this, now that he has, they attack him for not NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #58

The ARRA cut taxes for 97% of Americans underpants Jan 2015 #79

He's never get it through Congress Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #8

Not with the current batch of Rethug criminals in there. harrose Jan 2015 #9

Perhaps ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #47

I think it's a bit too early to be effective for that Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #50

Nope ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #56

You think so? Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #63

Yes .. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #68

Really? tjl148 Jan 2015 #94

Yes, really! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #97

Too bad that never occurred to him. merrily Jan 2015 #55

If not, then who will the Republicans blame for it? Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #114

Bwahahahaha! Saturday night comedy. nt valerief Jan 2015 #10

He is trying to set the agenda for 2016 n2doc Jan 2015 #11

And he didn't do this when in the majority why??? Fearless Jan 2015 #12

a possibility. wildbilln864 Jan 2015 #15

It's either that or he's stupid and thinks it'll pass a Republican legislature Fearless Jan 2015 #30

So Obama's doing this "against us"? SunSeeker Jan 2015 #37

No, he's doing it for his legacy. Fearless Jan 2015 #42

If you are saying, a legacy of setting up a 2016 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #48

You're asking me to disprove a negative statement. That's not possible. Fearless Jan 2015 #62

His legacy will be the ACA. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #66

Dems had a filibuster-proof 60 seats for only 24 work days, and they weren't even consecutive. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #26

Does it take more than 24 days to get all Dems together to vote for tax reform? Fearless Jan 2015 #28

Yes it does if one of those 60 votes is Lieberman. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #33

And how many days will it take with the current congress? Fearless Jan 2015 #43

Some parts of the plan might actually get passed in the current Congress. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #64

Nonsense. Big bank interests will prevail. It's all about the $$ Fearless Jan 2015 #65

We'll see. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #67

Republicans say they're doing things to help the middle class Fearless Jan 2015 #88

That comment should be an OP LittleGirl Jan 2015 #35

Sadly, it's not just the "other side" making that claim, as this thread shows. nt SunSeeker Jan 2015 #36

finished reading the thread....indeed eom LittleGirl Jan 2015 #38

And it keeps popping up on this Democratic site, almost as often. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #49

About freakin' time! n/t RoccoR5955 Jan 2015 #13

LOL I knew there would be whining .. guaranteed. Mahalo Mira. Thanks Obama~ Cha Jan 2015 #16

Why do I even bother coming here any more? NBachers Jan 2015 #19

.. Cha Jan 2015 #24

The "it's about time" and "why did he wait until now" comments are particularly amusing NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #23

I know, huh? Knee jerking that isn't even aware of the facts. Cha Jan 2015 #25

DUers never fail to disappoint IronLionZion Jan 2015 #159

"Middle Class" Charade v2` PSPS Jan 2015 #17

When the tax cut theshhold is established at $200,000 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author glasshouses Jan 2015 #18

Theoretically this is a good thing jmowreader Jan 2015 #22

As a middle classer, gee thanks, President Obama, but that's not what I want tavalon Jan 2015 #32

As a middle classer, gee thanks, President Obama, but that's not what I want tavalon Jan 2015 #34

The republican middle class will put up a big stink. Turbineguy Jan 2015 #53

TAX CUTS DON'T MATTER IF YOU DON'T HAVE A JOB. CrispyQ Jan 2015 #59

It is the OP's link that framed it in Republican terms. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #84

"Well, you know I really wanted those middle class cuts and upper class hikes..." vi5 Jan 2015 #60

Obama already passed middle class tax cuts. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #85

He's just falling for their meme. lark Jan 2015 #61

Where was this Obama in 2008? obxhead Jan 2015 #69

Watch Republicans squirm treestar Jan 2015 #75

Exactly. nt SunSeeker Jan 2015 #81

No it doesn't. nt tjl148 Jan 2015 #95

Unenlightening. treestar Jan 2015 #96

Or they'll just propose a bigger one covering all incomes. n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2015 #123

And Republicans will seek to raise them on the middle class and the working poor BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #78

Tax-cuts: the Republican cure-all. candelista Jan 2015 #80

Is this empty jest-ure supposed to make me forget he's pushing TPP behind the scenes? Ferd Berfel Jan 2015 #82

+1000. blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #109

Oh Yeah The TPP colsohlibgal Jan 2015 #86

.... 840high Jan 2015 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2015 #91

Corporate Farmers are thrilled with his idea of disallowing stepped up basis cpamomfromtexas Jan 2015 #104

Simple fix ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #122

No, you don't understand the issue at hand. cpamomfromtexas Jan 2015 #160

Please explain then ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #161

If you die, you still have to find a way to leave to your children. cpamomfromtexas Jan 2015 #162

Fucking hilarious! blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #105

Pic URL: https://jahanc.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/obama-laughing-on-af1.jpg blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #106

Excellent analysis. Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #112

That stands as much chance in Fascist America as being struck by lightning . geretogo Jan 2015 #124

That's My President, Standing Up 4 The Middle Class... Corey_Baker08 Jan 2015 #132