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In reply to the discussion: President Obama Will Seek to Reduce Taxes for Middle Class [View all]1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)119. Well ...
Do you even understand how the drastic tax cuts on the wealthy have hurt the middle class?
Apparently, I don't. Please explain.
I do know, however, that the tax cuts, made permanent, applied the middle and working classes. I, also, know that the tax cuts, made permanent, netted some 60+ billions in revenue ... that (just about) eliminated the deficit and took that fallacious talking point off the gop table. I, also, know that the deal that made the tax cuts permanent, extended U/C compensation for the long term unemployed (at a time when there were NO jobs to be had) and averted a government shut-down that would have hurt the middleclass (and all government beneficiaries) far more.
So please, tell me how making the tax cuts permanent have hurt the middleclass.
We've watched for over thirty years while the middle class continues to lose ground as the wealth in this country is redistributed.
You do realize that the above, undercuts your argument regarding the effects of making the tax cuts permanent, right?
And how would the raising of middle and working class taxes (with the expiration of the Bush tax cuts) have helped the erosion of the middle and working classes?
Here's a question for you SBM.. Why is it that an issue that has such a huge a impact on the welfare of the poor and middle class is relegated a mention in the President's State of the Union address six years into Obama's Presidency when the Republicans have the majority in the House and Senate while the corporate lobbyist created TPP is important enough that it's kept secret until they can fast track it through congress?
I don't understand your question ... a proposal for tax reform will be mentioned in this SOTU Address because it is an initiative that President Obama (and the Democratic representative that recently wrote the mirroring legislation) plan to pursue ... when else should it be mentioned?
But I don't understand your TPP talk ... how does a currently being negotiated trade deal figure into the SOTU mix ... what is President Obama to say about it?
From what I see, you are throwing a bunch of tangentially connected grievances against the President's wall hoping that something sticks ...IOWs, your solutions do not fix your grievances. Taxing the wealthy more (while raising taxes on the middle and working classes ... i.e., reversing the Bush tax cuts) will not appreciably affect the wealth transfer from the middle and working classes, absent a direct transfer of revenues to the middle and working class ... IOOWs, while reducing the wealthy's wealth would close the wealth gap ... some ... it does not approve the state of the middle and working classes.
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Much preferably when they are in the majority, not when the most Republican Congress since 1928
merrily
Jan 2015
#52
Do you even understand how the drastic tax cuts on the wealthy have hurt the middle class?
raindaddy
Jan 2015
#118
And mine is about YOUR disingenuous suggestion that we COULD return to 1950's tax rates...
VanillaRhapsody
Jan 2015
#134
No....but you disingenuously want to blame this President for doing something about it....
VanillaRhapsody
Jan 2015
#139
No one here says it has....but please do tell us how YOUR campaign plans to magically turn it all
VanillaRhapsody
Jan 2015
#135
They are already in action, having been sworn in to office on January 13th.
Major Hogwash
Jan 2015
#113
Too bad Obama won't fight for it. Boner will come in and give him that orange scowl, and it'll be
blkmusclmachine
Jan 2015
#3
Yep. NO points for proposing measures you know are doomed from the get go. Sorry!
blkmusclmachine
Jan 2015
#7
False. Google the time period--and this time, count Kennedy's place holder, who would have voted
merrily
Jan 2015
#136
The time there were 60 in the Dem caucus exceeded 24 days by a lot and a placeholder handpicked
merrily
Jan 2015
#142
No, no link = no link period. And you wonder why I didn't leap to google for you on command?
merrily
Jan 2015
#146
As a reply to my Post 144, your Post 145 was a lie and now your Reply 155 lied about Post 145.
merrily
Jan 2015
#158
There is nothing liberal about indefinite detention or drone killing innocent people.
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#29
The ACA, auto bailout, and Recovery Act were not "kowtowing" to the Republicans. nt
SunSeeker
Jan 2015
#39
I agree, but those don't make up a "liberal agenda" when weighed against the items
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#71
Do you disagree? Do you think his stands on torture, indefinite detention and NSA domestic
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#74
I agree with your list but it's hardly a "liberal agenda" when weighed against the
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#72
Some people have a very loose definition of the term "liberal". If you support Wall Street
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#89
Some people think that if they are liberal on one or two issues, then they are liberal.
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#120
What if you support only the portion of wall street that handles union pension plans? Aren't there
24601
Jan 2015
#130
Not sure if I understand your take, but some are willing to support Wall Street
rhett o rick
Jan 2015
#133
+1000. Obama's sock puppets come here w/their phony 11-dimensional chess BS, but we're not fooled,
blkmusclmachine
Jan 2015
#107
Obama already pushed for a tax cut and also raised taxes on the rich in 2013.
Drunken Irishman
Jan 2015
#41
How about his first SIX years, during all of which Democrats were in the majority.
merrily
Jan 2015
#54
So yesterday they attack him for not proposing this, now that he has, they attack him for not
NoJusticeNoPeace
Jan 2015
#58
It's either that or he's stupid and thinks it'll pass a Republican legislature
Fearless
Jan 2015
#30
Dems had a filibuster-proof 60 seats for only 24 work days, and they weren't even consecutive.
SunSeeker
Jan 2015
#26
Does it take more than 24 days to get all Dems together to vote for tax reform?
Fearless
Jan 2015
#28
Sadly, it's not just the "other side" making that claim, as this thread shows. nt
SunSeeker
Jan 2015
#36
The "it's about time" and "why did he wait until now" comments are particularly amusing
NYC Liberal
Jan 2015
#23
And Republicans will seek to raise them on the middle class and the working poor
BlueCaliDem
Jan 2015
#78
Is this empty jest-ure supposed to make me forget he's pushing TPP behind the scenes?
Ferd Berfel
Jan 2015
#82
Corporate Farmers are thrilled with his idea of disallowing stepped up basis
cpamomfromtexas
Jan 2015
#104
Pic URL: https://jahanc.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/obama-laughing-on-af1.jpg
blkmusclmachine
Jan 2015
#106