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167. We were talking about the threat to my family, remember? In the town where I live.

Wed Jan 21, 2015, 03:37 PM

Jan 2015

People are not running around shooting people where I live. Rhode Island is like every other state - gun violence is localized to a few neighborhoods. Violent crime is not evenly distributed throughout the nation - even in cities like Chicago the majority of neighborhoods are safe with little gun violence. If you stay out of the violent places in America, your odds of getting shot fall to nearly nothing.

I protect them by ensuring they have relatively new, safe cars to drive. I have paid to send them to advance driving schools. I ensure they are not on the roads when drunk drivers are most active (ie closing time). I do what every other rational adult does. But I don't stop living. And I don't live in fear. Because I understand the actual danger.

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Man shopping for coffee creamer at Walmart attacked by vigilante for carrying gun he was legally per [View all] sarisataka Jan 2015 OP

Vigilante? More like idiot. brendan120678 Jan 2015 #1

Better to be safe than sorry Renew Deal Jan 2015 #3

The idiot was in the parking lot when he fist saw the pistol... brendan120678 Jan 2015 #10

Sounds like a hero Renew Deal Jan 2015 #18

He was never at risk, even if the victims intentions had indeed... brendan120678 Jan 2015 #26

You can't say whether he was at risk or not. Renew Deal Jan 2015 #32

Except in the Paris scenario, there was never any doubt... brendan120678 Jan 2015 #43

A false hero wannabe, and probably a racist Reter Jan 2015 #73

The only Clarence I know is white, why would you assume he was black? n/t A Simple Game Jan 2015 #122

There are pictures of him in this thread - he is black. nt hack89 Jan 2015 #132

So white guy assumes black guy is up to no good, really? never heard of that before NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #230

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #263

Have any stats to back up that bullshit statement? blackspade Jan 2015 #265

Well, I was right Reter Jan 2015 #212

Yes, you were right. elleng Jan 2015 #262

I know 12 Clarence's and not one is black, now if you said Bob or Mike that would be different juxtaposed Jan 2015 #160

A very famous Clarence is black jmowreader Jan 2015 #164

yes, but i personally don't know him juxtaposed Jan 2015 #166

Correct, and correct. elleng Jan 2015 #259

Agreed gopiscrap Jan 2015 #83

and the fact that foster is white, and daniels is black has absolutely nothing to do with it, right? niyad Jan 2015 #172

Would you care what the race of a gunman is? Renew Deal Jan 2015 #175

Would the well intentioned christx30 Jan 2015 #209

I didn't get that far to find this out but that was my first thought. cui bono Jan 2015 #234

A hero? Did he save us from the nefarious Serial Creamer??? cui bono Jan 2015 #233

Your 'hero' battered an innocent man from behind... Glengoolie Jan 2015 #365

Yeah... just all those people in the store would have been at risk. gcomeau Jan 2015 #117

At risk of what? Not getting any creamer if Daniels bought it all??? n/t cui bono Jan 2015 #235

I'll repeat my question. gcomeau Jan 2015 #244

I'll repeat my question. cui bono Jan 2015 #245

You are being thick jollyreaper2112 Jan 2015 #253

So let's compare the two sarisataka Jan 2015 #255

Hard to say jollyreaper2112 Jan 2015 #256

I don't find it hard sarisataka Jan 2015 #257

All that tells us... gcomeau Jan 2015 #269

I take unprovoked assault sarisataka Jan 2015 #271

The question was not in any way rhetorical. gcomeau Jan 2015 #272

I do have the ability sarisataka Jan 2015 #285

Sigh... gcomeau Jan 2015 #292

Yes, assuming sarisataka Jan 2015 #309

So the right call, according to you... gcomeau Jan 2015 #313

The right call according to you sarisataka Jan 2015 #322

No, but you appear incapable of recognizing degrees of severity... gcomeau Jan 2015 #326

A person carrying a gun sarisataka Jan 2015 #328

Tell us, how short was his skirt? AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #291

Same question for you. gcomeau Jan 2015 #294

Before or after he jammed the fire doors shut with his vehicle, and then started shooting? AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #297

So basically... gcomeau Jan 2015 #298

Well, he smashed his vehicle into the doors. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #301

Exactly my point gcomeau Jan 2015 #306

Well, there's too late, and then there's REALLY too late. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #310

It is a completely silly idea. gcomeau Jan 2015 #311

How so? cui bono Jan 2015 #274

Ahem gcomeau Jan 2015 #314

Okay, what is the difference in the scenario? cui bono Jan 2015 #323

Because that happened. gcomeau Jan 2015 #327

So you're okay with innocent people being assaulted on a hunch? cui bono Jan 2015 #330

If the options being weighed... gcomeau Jan 2015 #331

If he pulled the gun out while in the store I would agree with you. cui bono Jan 2015 #333

If he pulls the gun out *it's too late*. gcomeau Jan 2015 #344

Would you seriously risk the chance of rushing a police officer AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #348

As opposed to the idea you would seriously like to rush... gcomeau Jan 2015 #352

I'd rather be able to return fire. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #354

Then you should arrest anyone who anyone thinks might cause a crime. cui bono Jan 2015 #349

Most crimes don't result in dead people if you guess wrong about pre-empting it. gcomeau Jan 2015 #353

Your counterpoint completely breaks down in the face of a drunk driver. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #355

You have to be kidding. gcomeau Jan 2015 #360

The notion that an innocent person has the right to walk in public without being assaulted cui bono Jan 2015 #356

Is self defense also a civil right? gcomeau Jan 2015 #361

There has to be a threat... Glengoolie Jan 2015 #364

Yes... gcomeau Jan 2015 #367

Legally there is an absolutely justifiable reason... Glengoolie Jan 2015 #368

Legally gcomeau Jan 2015 #369

There is precedent upon case law upon the constitution... Glengoolie Jan 2015 #370

Sigh... gcomeau Jan 2015 #372

Just to be clear... Glengoolie Jan 2015 #374

+1 from someone who wants extremely strict gun control laws. cui bono Jan 2015 #376

Or, the opposite of clear? Deliberately distorting? gcomeau Jan 2015 #377

Nonsense. beevul Jan 2015 #380

Sigh... gcomeau Jan 2015 #387

I've never understood this... Glengoolie Jan 2015 #385

Then you haven't thought very hard about it. gcomeau Jan 2015 #386

A holstered gun is no threat. N/T beevul Jan 2015 #378

How was the attacker's action self defense? cui bono Jan 2015 #375

Sigh... gcomeau Jan 2015 #388

Right back atcha. You're the one who doesn't understand this at all. cui bono Jan 2015 #389

Answer the question posed at the link... gcomeau Jan 2015 #390

At risk of what? notadmblnd Jan 2015 #254

FFS gcomeau Jan 2015 #264

Problem with that is we see pictures and reports of WHITE people PROUDLY (and stupidly) carrying NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #302

No argument whatsoever.That's a whole other problem. gcomeau Jan 2015 #308

Exactly what I was thinking.. mountain grammy Jan 2015 #266

The "well intentioned" man saw a black man carrying a gun. jeff47 Jan 2015 #90

Who is safer? Had Mr. Daniels defended himself against this mentally disturbed jtuck004 Jan 2015 #145

I carry a knife with a pocket clip... Glengoolie Jan 2015 #275

Better safe than sorry.... Glengoolie Jan 2015 #276

In Dayton Ohio, the cops shot and kill a Walmart customer last August. FarPoint Jan 2015 #64

Pellet guns are not "toy guns" and are sold in sporting goods, not toys.. EX500rider Jan 2015 #142

I Am Extremely Knowledgeable Of This Case... Corey_Baker08 Jan 2015 #218

I agree with most of that.. EX500rider Jan 2015 #221

Its So Sad His Girlfriend Who Was There Killed Herself... Corey_Baker08 Jan 2015 #229

This toy gun was on an open shelf, unsecured, unwrapped. FarPoint Jan 2015 #279

Still pellet guns are not "toy guns"..and can be used for hunting small game & pests. EX500rider Jan 2015 #325

Irrelevant.... FarPoint Jan 2015 #366

They are all vigilantes, why carry a killing machine around in public? It gives them purpose in life..sad. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #72

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #249

especially if say said person PatrynXX Jan 2015 #84

Or been crazed and killed Politicalboi Jan 2015 #121

But he couldn't be a "HERO" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #186

Would a "reasonable person" really have... brendan120678 Jan 2015 #188

I thought that's what I was trying to say ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #192

Lol...exactly. brendan120678 Jan 2015 #196

Agreed. Tackling someone like that christx30 Jan 2015 #211

This is what happens when an online SJW goes LIVE snooper2 Jan 2015 #288

Seems proper to me. No way to tell if this guy was a shooting nut on point Jan 2015 #2

The police should be called every time one of these people is spotted. Renew Deal Jan 2015 #6

The police will tell you to stop bothering them if he or she isn't doing anything threatening. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #13

The police should be called every time one of these people is spotted. Renew Deal Jan 2015 #19

And as I said, they will tell you you are wasting their time. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #25

There is no reason to lie Renew Deal Jan 2015 #30

And tell them what? AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #34

That's fine. Renew Deal Jan 2015 #38

911 will help you with that litmus test. It goes like this. "Is he threatening anyone, or acting in AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #44

I can live with that. Renew Deal Jan 2015 #54

Actually, they will explicitly tell you that they do not need to know. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #56

They can make their judgement and I can make mine Renew Deal Jan 2015 #60

No, that was a toy gun, he died because he could only pretend to defend himself. A Simple Game Jan 2015 #139

Shooting at the police is rarely a healthy form of entertainment. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #149

Shooting at people is entertainment? A Simple Game Jan 2015 #199

Seemed to be what you were suggesting. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #206

But what if you tell the 911 operator you think it's a toy gwheezie Jan 2015 #61

Saved him from whom? AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #71

sorry Crusader but I call "Bullshit" NoMoreRepugs Jan 2015 #181

That's true whether a firearm is present or not. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #184

But when the firearm is present... gcomeau Jan 2015 #317

Most crimes with a firearm involve AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #346

Not sure Im following your logic negoldie Jan 2015 #169

None yet. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #179

If you go on patrol could you let us know every report you call in? snooper2 Jan 2015 #289

Do you recall sarisataka Jan 2015 #31

No Renew Deal Jan 2015 #33

Let me refresh your memory sarisataka Jan 2015 #39

In certain states and local towns, the majority will be walking in the store with guns Reter Jan 2015 #76

Having it in a holster, not bothering anyone, is usually a clue. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #7

Yes, the stranger with the gun is only a threat when he points it at you. Renew Deal Jan 2015 #23

I *am* a stranger with a gun. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #35

Then you are both a threat and a danger Renew Deal Jan 2015 #40

If that is true... AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #47

Only to the irrationally fearful... Glengoolie Jan 2015 #277

And it would be proper for him to shoot you for attacking him Taitertots Jan 2015 #70

Actually no. Disproportionate use of force. His life not in danger, he is in a public space etc. on point Jan 2015 #75

Actually, yes. The vigilante put him in a chokehold. jeff47 Jan 2015 #91

His attacker's life was not in danger when he attacked Mr. Daniels Taitertots Jan 2015 #93

Disproportionate use of force doesn't work that way. Xithras Jan 2015 #144

Actually, you're wrong. GGJohn Jan 2015 #252

Not everyone with a gun is a gun nut Xithras Jan 2015 #123

No sympathy. Aristus Jan 2015 #4

Attacked him from behind with no warning. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #14

The people in the supermarket in Paris had no warning either. Renew Deal Jan 2015 #24

Exactly. Aristus Jan 2015 #45

Sure. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #50

And why is that "tool" needed in a department store? groundloop Jan 2015 #62

I don't leave my firearm in my car. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #67

I leave mine at home... everyone involved is much safer that way groundloop Jan 2015 #85

Depends on your assessment of risk. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #100

"Cars are easily broken into" Politicalboi Jan 2015 #124

I love that you are essentially castigating this man for showing restraint. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #126

No, it doesn't burn my ass Politicalboi Jan 2015 #131

No need for further gun control then right? beevul Jan 2015 #165

And the purpose of that tool SwankyXomb Jan 2015 #137

Interesting. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #147

Because he wad tackled from behind and placed in a choke-hold. brendan120678 Jan 2015 #16

Yeah, that could have gone really bad, real quick. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #37

Seems like the unarmed man could have made it worse Politicalboi Jan 2015 #127

If you've got an arm around his neck AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #129

Lot of good his 'knowledge' did him. Aristus Jan 2015 #46

Hah...that reply made me giggle a little... brendan120678 Jan 2015 #52

And the assault charge for the idiot is well deserved as well nt shedevil69taz Jan 2015 #36

Too bad he didn't shoot him Reter Jan 2015 #77

He was not attacked for carrying a gun. He was attacked because he is black and carrying a gun. TeamPooka Jan 2015 #318

+1000. nt raccoon Jan 2015 #379

Why does anyone need to bring a gun into a Walmart? oberliner Jan 2015 #5

Well you never know marym625 Jan 2015 #12

That man was murdered by a 'well intentioned' bystander that lied and called police. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #20

yep marym625 Jan 2015 #86

The man with the gun was black. jeff47 Jan 2015 #89

nope. none. nada. marym625 Jan 2015 #106

You don't get it. mockmonkey Jan 2015 #97

Deep psychological need tblue Jan 2015 #128

Walmart is dangerous for black men. bravenak Jan 2015 #148

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #189

He damn well better not have gone in with a FAKE gun. Turns out worse. bravenak Jan 2015 #200

What if the dude was a robber and nobody did anything? groundloop Jan 2015 #8

But how do you know who's the nut? tblue Jan 2015 #130

Yes, much more safe to wait until someone starts shooting. Because that never happens. djean111 Jan 2015 #9

EXACTLY - hard to tell a shooter from a "normal" gun nut groundloop Jan 2015 #15

So everyone who carries a gun is a wife-beating asshole? Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #105

Wow, that's a non-logical stretch - no, everyone who carries a gun into a mall or store MIGHT djean111 Jan 2015 #324

You were comparing the man in Brandon Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #334

I am saying that there is no way to tell if a man carrying a gun into a mall or store is djean111 Jan 2015 #335

Well, 99.9% of the time, they're not shooting. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #337

Good for you! I just leave. djean111 Jan 2015 #341

Well, until someone actually commits a crime, christx30 Jan 2015 #268

It is much safer to confront that black kid with a hoody hack89 Jan 2015 #300

The words 'well-intentioned' and 'vigilante' don't belong together at all. HappyMe Jan 2015 #11

The vigilante was white. No description of the gun owner. Kablooie Jan 2015 #17

In a prior thread, someone said the gun owner was black. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #21

Here is the victim sarisataka Jan 2015 #29

Bingo. Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #53

Suddenly this all makes sense! Neon Gods Jan 2015 #59

It appears sarisataka Jan 2015 #68

The pervasive fear of the gun nuts justifies their killing machines even in legislatures...they are Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #74

"Obama will take away your guns" is as nonsensical as it gets. hack89 Jan 2015 #78

The GOP, Fox and the NRA have been very good, you again have it backwards. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #80

"The 2A protects an individual right to keep and bear arms" hack89 Jan 2015 #82

Yawn, the NRA/GOP/Fox propaganda points are tired and worn thin, sir...but it is all you got, we get it. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #138

Are you denying what is in black and white in the Democratic party platform? hack89 Jan 2015 #141

That's far from the first instance of that sort of thing from him: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #240

The first gun laws banned black people from owning them. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #125

been saying for 2yrs that the 2A is for the most part a whites only law uponit7771 Jan 2015 #384

This really makes me wonder if HappyMe Jan 2015 #65

I have personally never met a white Clarence Reter Jan 2015 #79

Maybe someday you will? FailureToCommunicate Jan 2015 #102

Awesome retort-nt Anansi1171 Jan 2015 #201

Did you see "It's a wonderful Life" this holiday? Tab Jan 2015 #107

I've personally met whites who think Robinson is only a black name Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #136

Well, they're clearly not baseball fans. KamaAina Jan 2015 #239

and that means nothing CreekDog Jan 2015 #143

The assistant manager at the grocery store... NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #176

. Orrex Jan 2015 #321

concealed carry in Florida? if so, mr. gun owner broke the law? Sunlei Jan 2015 #22

No, he had a valid license. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #41

I didn't mean a license. I meant an unconcealed gun when the letter of the law calls for concealed. Sunlei Jan 2015 #177

Unknown. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #182

I wondered because its usually parking lots where someone who carries pays the most attention. Sunlei Jan 2015 #187

What kind of an idiot carries around a gun? nt valerief Jan 2015 #27

Florida has around 1 million active concealed weapon permits issued. EX500rider Jan 2015 #150

And so that explains FloridaMan. valerief Jan 2015 #332

Cowards don't feel safe unless they carry guns around with them FLPanhandle Jan 2015 #28

If I were a black guy in Florida... bobclark86 Jan 2015 #119

I used to live in a shit christx30 Jan 2015 #213

I get your concerns drray23 Jan 2015 #316

I was walking to the bus stop christx30 Jan 2015 #329

Absolutely reasonable. Nobody knows why Daniels brough a gun to a Walmart. DetlefK Jan 2015 #42

It is very difficult to tell the difference between a nut with a gun and a gun nut. nt. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #48

Even a legal conceal carry permit doesn't guarantee a damn thing. tblue Jan 2015 #133

Wonder if he would have been so "well-intentioned" if the guy wasn't Black. progressoid Jan 2015 #49

That's exactly what I wondered. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #55

Another victim of gun violence Orrex Jan 2015 #51

Victim blaming? sarisataka Jan 2015 #63

As a matter of policy, I do not use the sarcasm smiley. Orrex Jan 2015 #69

Another victim of racism. He wouldn't have been tackled if he was white. hack89 Jan 2015 #81

Why would anyone carry a firearm except out of 99% baseless fear? Orrex Jan 2015 #87

Beats me - I don't carry in public hack89 Jan 2015 #88

Meh. Orrex Jan 2015 #95

In a time of historically low levels of gun violence hack89 Jan 2015 #116

I don't live in fear. You are making a false statement. Orrex Jan 2015 #140

Take suicide out of the equation and guns aren't so dangerous to innocent bystanders, are they? hack89 Jan 2015 #146

I'd like to see your statistics for drunk driving deaths Orrex Jan 2015 #159

We were talking about the threat to my family, remember? In the town where I live. hack89 Jan 2015 #167

Actually, we were talking about both. Orrex Jan 2015 #178

I made the claim about drunk drivers where I live. hack89 Jan 2015 #180

Perhaps you should write something that supports your claims Orrex Jan 2015 #194

How have I tailored my lifestyle around a response to fear? hack89 Jan 2015 #185

Like so: Orrex Jan 2015 #191

Lets what the CDC says about teen deaths (my kids) hack89 Jan 2015 #198

That's specific to your town, is it? Orrex Jan 2015 #217

Ok. To be honest where I live there is nothing to fear hack89 Jan 2015 #243

That 12,361 figure seems off.. EX500rider Jan 2015 #203

But then, we're not talking solely about gun homicides, are we? Orrex Jan 2015 #222

"Also, since guns kill more than cars" EX500rider Jan 2015 #152

How many of those automotive deaths were homicides? Orrex Jan 2015 #163

If I was saying how dangerous cars were.. EX500rider Jan 2015 #174

Then you should be able to provide those statistics Orrex Jan 2015 #190

"Then you should be able to provide those statistics" Easy enough: EX500rider Jan 2015 #205

Repeating yourself is not a convincing argument Orrex Jan 2015 #219

You asked for me to provide the statistics so i did. EX500rider Jan 2015 #223

I will repeat my request, since you seem to have missed it: Orrex Jan 2015 #228

In this case the man that was carrying HappyMe Jan 2015 #92

Then he's the 1% (edited for accidental word repetition) Orrex Jan 2015 #151

That's a very good point Shamash Jan 2015 #153

We don't know Mr. Daniel's history. HappyMe Jan 2015 #157

I do not in any way excuse Foster's assault of Mr. Daniels. Orrex Jan 2015 #168

The only reason they need is because they want to!! pocoloco Jan 2015 #112

I opt not to do a great many things that I want to do Orrex Jan 2015 #114

Do you have smoke detectors in your home? AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #293

Smoke detectors have protected me and my family on several occasions Orrex Jan 2015 #296

Sorry, I shouldn't have assumed you've never *needed* those detectors. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #303

LOL. When I was writing that post, my first thought was Radioactive Boy Orrex Jan 2015 #305

He is an incredibly determined and resourceful young man. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #315

Another victim of American racism/bigotry Taitertots Jan 2015 #96

Remind me again why you think that guns make us safe? Orrex Jan 2015 #111

Are you hallucinating or just throwing out non-sense straw man arguments? Taitertots Jan 2015 #115

Please identify the straw man that you think I'm using Orrex Jan 2015 #134

Identify it? You quoted it in your post. Stop being disingenuous Taitertots Jan 2015 #155

Please identify the straw man that you think I'm using Orrex Jan 2015 #161

You say it isn't a straw man. Then quote where I said it. Taitertots Jan 2015 #195

Where you said what? I'm not rephrasing your "arguments" Orrex Jan 2015 #216

Here it is... Taitertots Jan 2015 #220

A question is not a straw man, obviously Orrex Jan 2015 #225

And you wrote a huge irrelevant response to avoid... Taitertots Jan 2015 #238

Then don't let your boss read this thread Orrex Jan 2015 #241

"And you?" Did you take any college statistics courses? Does your job require analysis? Taitertots Jan 2015 #250

"Per incidence use". beevul Jan 2015 #232

Fine. Then an "incident of use" of a vehicle is each cycle of the engine Orrex Jan 2015 #236

Oh bull. beevul Jan 2015 #273

Whatever Orrex Jan 2015 #280

300+ million guns, in the hands of 80+ million people... beevul Jan 2015 #319

Here we get to the part where the gun-lover tells me what I believe Orrex Jan 2015 #320

I think a better substitute would be to compare the time of exposure Taitertots Jan 2015 #251

Any other legal activities you think folks should be assaulted and battered for? Glengoolie Jan 2015 #278

Who are you addressing? Orrex Jan 2015 #281

Ahh victim blaming... Glengoolie Jan 2015 #282

Sure, if you suffer some mental deficiency that requires you to think only literally Orrex Jan 2015 #286

Ahhh.... Glengoolie Jan 2015 #304

Tell you what. I'll think about that and reply to you in two weeks. Orrex Jan 2015 #307

Carrying a gun into Waldemart, what a maroon. Darb Jan 2015 #57

A black man entering a store with a concealed firearm? tularetom Jan 2015 #58

That man saved his life gwheezie Jan 2015 #94

You are probably right about that. HappyMe Jan 2015 #98

I've pointed out people carrying guns to security/management at stores... onehandle Jan 2015 #66

Well, that's two adieu Jan 2015 #99

Only the victim sarisataka Jan 2015 #101

See, that's why he should have been armed as well adieu Jan 2015 #103

Tell me sarisataka Jan 2015 #135

Amazing that on a "progressive" message board Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #104

DU is "Democratic" first, Kelvin Mace Jan 2015 #108

That's the disconnect I don't get. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #110

OK. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #193

Well, you would have to explain what you mean by Kelvin Mace Jan 2015 #204

The Democratic party supports (as part of it's platform) RKBA. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #224

I respect the right Kelvin Mace Jan 2015 #248

What would you call a reasonable number? Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #283

A handgun, Kelvin Mace Jan 2015 #295

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #299

Again, Kelvin Mace Jan 2015 #342

How many arms do they have? AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #347

Like I said... Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #336

Right now, the 2nd and 3rd Amendment are pretty much the only ones Kelvin Mace Jan 2015 #339

The US is NOT a police state. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #340

I must disagree Kelvin Mace Jan 2015 #345

Well, it fits a narrative. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #109

The amazing thing is that some people miss the obvious parrallels to the Eric Brown case Taitertots Jan 2015 #208

Depressing but accurate. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #214

A pack of hypocrites and selective tough guys, advocating violence against the law abiding friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #246

40 year old white guy tackles 62 year old black guy from back. Stinking coward. n/t jtuck004 Jan 2015 #113

What if Foster took the gun and went on a Politicalboi Jan 2015 #118

After seeing a photo of the victim it's very clear what happened. Vinca Jan 2015 #120

IF heaven05 Jan 2015 #154

Amusing yet relevant statistics for this flamefest Shamash Jan 2015 #156

Oh no, it's racist. Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #162

Crime statistics are easy to review. branford Jan 2015 #170

I'm well aware of BJS and NIJ stats. Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #290

This story really highlights police and/or prosecutors' hypocrisy Trillo Jan 2015 #158

here we go: niyad Jan 2015 #171

It's just not possible to fix stupid. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #173

Well, the guy was a dumbshit for carrying a gun into Walmart. Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #197

Why the hell does anyone need to carry a firearm into Walmart? Maedhros Jan 2015 #183

Because stuff doesn't get stolen from cars in Walmart parking lots? nt hack89 Jan 2015 #207

Serves the rude toter right... ileus Jan 2015 #202

why is there sympathy for the ammosexual? obviously his gun was not WELL hidden. pansypoo53219 Jan 2015 #210

Sigh, because his was violently assaulted for doing absolutely nothing wrong or illegal, branford Jan 2015 #215

someone who needs a gun to buy creamer Skittles Jan 2015 #226

I think this is a good trend TerrapinFlyer Jan 2015 #227

Is that you, Hoyt? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #242

And when someone is shot dead in a legitimate defensive shooting Telcontar Jan 2015 #247

Where I come from, we learned shooting an unarmed man is NEVER legitimate. ncjustice80 Jan 2015 #258

Even if sarisataka Jan 2015 #260

What utter macho garbage. branford Jan 2015 #261

Wow, what an ignorant post Telcontar Jan 2015 #270

Why dont you ask Michael Brown's family about their opinion on the subject? ncjustice80 Jan 2015 #338

Oh, so now we are equating racist cops actions Telcontar Jan 2015 #343

lol- I think Im saying the opposite. ncjustice80 Jan 2015 #357

I am pretty sure someone might be Telcontar Jan 2015 #358

Clearly, the problem here was the man with the gun. n/t hughee99 Jan 2015 #231

They're both morons, as far as I'm concerned. BlueStater Jan 2015 #237

+1 mountain grammy Jan 2015 #267

Too bad so sad ... LannyDeVaney Jan 2015 #284

A black guy with a legal gun? Can't have that! Kaleva Jan 2015 #287

Black man carrying gun = attack him. White man carrying gun = excersizing Constitional rights. nt TeamPooka Jan 2015 #312

I'm kind of surprised Wally World didn't make crap up to get Daniels arrested instead of Foster. 47of74 Jan 2015 #350

I think less snowbirds are coming to Florida riverbendviewgal Jan 2015 #351

The so called vigilante is lucky the guy wasn't an off duty, undercover cop. ohnoyoudidnt Jan 2015 #359

I hope the guy who got tackled sues the other guy, and walmart, and wins big. I've seen people ND-Dem Jan 2015 #362

I'm a bit confused sarisataka Jan 2015 #363

sorry you're so confused. i'd like to see him win for being tackled for no reason and i'd like to ND-Dem Jan 2015 #371

Now I understand sarisataka Jan 2015 #373

On what grounds should Walmart be sued? ManiacJoe Jan 2015 #381

Idiots, Carrying Guns, Shopping at WalMart pauliedangerously Jan 2015 #382

Is Black Man With A Gun a Code 23-19? Kennah Jan 2015 #383