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Yo_Mama

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19. That's inappropriate IMO. The point is either valid or not valid, which is what matters here.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:51 AM
Jan 2015

As a matter of fact and law, the commenter's point was valid.

Here is a WaPo blog article from the summer on the legal elements required for a federal civil rights violation to be proved:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/08/19/what-would-federal-prosecutors-have-to-prove-in-the-michael-brown-shooting/

The tricky thing in a federal civil rights prosecution is proving mens rea — that is, the defendant’s state of mind. As the jury instructions above make clear, federal prosecutors would have to establish that the police officer acted “willfully” — i.e., with a “bad purpose or evil motive.” And because mens rea is an element of the offense, prosecutors would have to prove that state of mind beyond a reasonable doubt.

In some of the discussions of the case that I have seen, this critical point has been overlooked. Some commentators have assumed that the officer could be charged federally if he was negligent or reckless in assessing the need to use deadly force. For a federal civil rights prosecution, that is untrue. A federal civil rights prosecution in the Brown shooting will only be successful if the defendant acted with specific intent to deprive Brown of his rights.


It doesn't appear as if DOJ has the option to bring a case, so blaming Holder is off the wall.

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The fuck??? Stephen Retired Jan 2015 #1
Exactly like they did with the John T. Williams murder in Seattle... countryjake Jan 2015 #2
If you mean the part where it says cstanleytech Jan 2015 #4
People Actually Believed Holder Would Do Something? SoCalMusicLover Jan 2015 #3
Holder cannot change the federal law or many decades of common law jurisprudence. branford Jan 2015 #6
From where did you graduate law school? geek tragedy Jan 2015 #7
And from where did you graduate Discussion Board Basics School? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2015 #16
The person was claiming that the failure to indict is due to Eric Holder geek tragedy Jan 2015 #18
I Never Called Him A Poopyhead SoCalMusicLover Jan 2015 #25
And if he had "told the truth" you would have been bemoaning how he was not even attempting geek tragedy Jan 2015 #26
Kicking The Can SoCalMusicLover Jan 2015 #27
That's inappropriate IMO. The point is either valid or not valid, which is what matters here. Yo_Mama Jan 2015 #19
Why do they even bother? Ino Jan 2015 #5
X 1000 blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #20
I honestly believe if I lost a child or husband this way and no one was ever held accountable. mountain grammy Jan 2015 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author damnedifIknow Jan 2015 #9
This doesnt have a damn thing to do with Democracy being alive or dead. nt cstanleytech Jan 2015 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author damnedifIknow Jan 2015 #13
Regardless of why this is , I am worried about a SC who have gutted voting rights and now NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #11
X 1000 blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #21
It is an intentionally high standard to reach... Glengoolie Jan 2015 #24
I'm only surprised they didn't wait for a Friday afternoon to make the statement Lurks Often Jan 2015 #12
I wasnt surprised either as proving civil rights violations is from what I have read cstanleytech Jan 2015 #15
We need more leaders who see the benefits of sacrificial lambs. nt Ykcutnek Jan 2015 #14
What are the benefits of sacrificial lambs? n/t cigsandcoffee Jan 2015 #17
Crap. blackspade Jan 2015 #22
figures,no surprise, no shock heaven05 Jan 2015 #23
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