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75. so you want the war to escalate?

Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:00 PM

Jan 2015

It is easy to feel that way from a comfortable computer far far away.

I would prefer we pressure more for peace thank you. Borders and governments can change. I think people really would rather live to "fight" another day.

This whole thing is fucked up because we live in an age where there are no real rules and wars are often fought and encouraged for money or money interests. Even if the worst of the western narrative was true, this situation does not meet "just war" theory or any other civil assessment.

I have no doubt that if the US and Europe had really wanted peace and to put their money where their mouth is there would be peace by now. But they want a peace that is only around certain strategic and financial interests, and they could care less about the people that die as a result.

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Rebels launch 'intense' attacks on Ukraine government troops: Kiev military [View all] another_liberal Jan 2015 OP

"Civil war" my ass uhnope Jan 2015 #1

I sympathize with both sides . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #2

Can we finally quote you as saying "Putin can go screw himself", then? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #4

I have been a defender of Russia's right to equal treatment under international law . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #14

"our provocations" NickB79 Jan 2015 #15

"Weasel words" Is that meant as an insult? another_liberal Jan 2015 #16

Explain? Again? Nah, I'll pass NickB79 Jan 2015 #21

The complaints and insults of a few are regrettable, sure . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #35

Many agree but it is natural they don't want to post and subject themself to the proliphic bullying newthinking Jan 2015 #46

I don't know if they really want a war with Russia or just hate President Putin exclusively. another_liberal Jan 2015 #54

of course we should just give Putin what ever he wants Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #59

The real question should be . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #62

well since we do not annex countries Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #64

The term is "hegemony" . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #66

Look, you expose your try position when you avoid all challenges... Adrahil Jan 2015 #79

I have posted many times my basis newthinking Jan 2015 #80

"has already decided what they believe" Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #81

was I talking to you? newthinking Jan 2015 #83

still fits though Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #84

Oh you responded, you just ducked the questions and... Adrahil Jan 2015 #85

what freaking questions? newthinking Jan 2015 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author elias49 Jan 2015 #51

Yeah, don't hold your breath. Adrahil Jan 2015 #17

sounds like a pang of conscience uhnope Jan 2015 #5

twice so far Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #9

hey, you never know. People learn. People realize they were wrong. uhnope Jan 2015 #12

The leaders on both and all sides and proxies can all screw themselves for sending pawns in to die for them to Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #77

Wel Fred, we agree on something Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #82

not a civil war Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #6

'outta my face, outta my face, please' reorg Jan 2015 #29

yep, it appears he speaks english Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #30

They changed the name to "Academi" . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #37

Oh yes, Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #40

so much for "pangs of conscience". These Putin sympathizers are psychopathic. nt uhnope Jan 2015 #52

well that comment is richly ironic lol newthinking Jan 2015 #74

Like the experts who went on television to tell us again and again . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #55

Yes, I know you said it was a false flag operation Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #58

I don't know what happened Mariupol . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #61

you seem to know Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #63

You need to start being a bit more polite . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #71

Thanks, I will try Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #72

We hate blackwater-- until they are doing our version of "gods work" newthinking Jan 2015 #47

Then Yemen isn't a civil war then JonLP24 Jan 2015 #89

Is the Yermen not really a civil war because US drones are there? JonLP24 Jan 2015 #87

I'm sure they'll run out of captured Ukranian munitions any day now NickB79 Jan 2015 #3

They have captured a great deal from Kiev's forces, much of it in just the last few days . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #8

Oh good, I was afraid their Russian tanks would run out of ammo NickB79 Jan 2015 #13

A couple of tanks . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #18

Who hasn't lost a few tanks here and there, right? NickB79 Jan 2015 #20

Does the Canadian Army use the Abrams, that might explain it? another_liberal Jan 2015 #31

ISIS is driving around in US tanks & other US military vehicles JonLP24 Jan 2015 #90

That didn't take long - making excuses for Russian army tanks in Ukraine already? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #23

It's not Putin with me, I told you that . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #32

Yes we all know Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #34

Really? Well let's hear you directly criticize Putin on this matter. Adrahil Jan 2015 #48

amazing Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #53

Apparently they were just all in some depot in the east, unused! Who knew!? n/t Adrahil Jan 2015 #78

Don't you know Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #22

And yet there's been no verified photos and videos.... MattSh Jan 2015 #39

But you live there so you can't know anything. newthinking Jan 2015 #43

not the amount they are using Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #24

I will wait for Lavrov's condemnation. Igel Jan 2015 #25

And you do know Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #28

I'm sure Putin is openly weeping over the suffering at this very minute NickB79 Jan 2015 #7

I hadn't heard any details about that situation yet . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #10

Video: The fight to defend Ukraine�s strategic Debaltseve NickB79 Jan 2015 #11

Thanks for the link to some more details. another_liberal Jan 2015 #19

And perhaps they can show Russian honor as they did last time. Igel Jan 2015 #26

It's time to end the fighting . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #33

Tell that to Putin Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #36

Kiev needs to agree to talk to the Separatists, face-to-face and as equals. another_liberal Jan 2015 #38

Kiev has agreed to talk and Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #41

Russia has to look to its own defenses . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #67

has the US or NATO attacked Russia? Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #68

since it looks like you and others avoid my posts Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #42

It's only been going on for months Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #27

The rebels are going on the offensive. It only makes sense though, as Kiev is readying for 3 major newthinking Jan 2015 #44

Maybe it�s a company, maybe it�s a whole battalion, we don�t know yet until we do the survey.� jakeXT Jan 2015 #50

Ukraine plans to bring charges against separatists in The Hague bemildred Jan 2015 #45

That really makes me suspect a "false flag" operation in this case . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #56

"anti-terrorist operation troops" Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #49

Vicky Nuland isn't a very good cook . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #57

Maybe the next meal will be bigger jakeXT Jan 2015 #60

That may not be nearly as easy as the Maidan coup apparently was . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #65

If the Western empire-builders (lowercase) were smart Red Mountain Jan 2015 #69

You want me, the American taxpayer, to finance this latter day Imperial adventure . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #70

I would hope it never comes to that Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #73

so you want the war to escalate? newthinking Jan 2015 #75

and we all know Russia has nothing to do with this Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #76

It is amazing how many people laugh at what you say JonLP24 Jan 2015 #88

If our bankers and big energy corporations hadn't insisted on looting Ukraine . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #91

I saw something about a coup JonLP24 Jan 2015 #92

Move along.... Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2015 #93