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another_liberal

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Mon Jan 26, 2015, 08:05 AM Jan 2015

Russia blames Ukraine for violence, urges West not to support Kiev [View all]

Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - Russia blamed Kiev on Monday for a surge in violence in southeastern Ukraine and urged the West not to show its support with actions such as imposing new sanctions on Moscow.

Pro-Moscow separatists, backed by what NATO says is the open participation of Russian troops, have launched an offensive in eastern and south-eastern Ukraine and Kiev said on Saturday 30 civilians had been killed in shelling of the city of Mariupol. Russia has denied sending arms and troops to back the rebels and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the separatists were responding to attacks by Ukrainian government forces.

"We see attempts to derail the peace process and attempts again and again by the Kiev leadership to solve the problem by using force to suppress the southeast. These attempts lead nowhere," Lavrov told a news conference. "We expect our Western partners ... not to do anything that gives the Kiev authorities the impression that all their actions automatically will win support in the West."

He urged the West not to whip up anti-Russia hysteria and said it would have been naive to believe the separatists would accept being shelled by government forces without responding.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/26/us-urkaine-crisis-russia-lavrov-idUSKBN0KZ0VS20150126



The Foreign Minister has a point in regard to the tragedy in Mariupol. Instead of lashing out reflexively at our favorite whipping boy (the Russian Federation) perhaps it might be a good idea to investigate the incident and see you is really responsible first. If we are supporting the kind of people who would stage an attack on civilians in a cynical effort to then shift the blame and gain international backing, wouldn't it be best we are at least aware that is the case?
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Germany urges pro-Russian separatists to halt offensive on Mariupol bemildred Jan 2015 #1
Good for Chancellor Merkel, at least she isn't complacent about the dangers . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #2
And Russia needs to realize that Ukraine is a sovereign nation. As is Georgia. DetlefK Jan 2015 #4
Eastern Ukraine is largely populated by ethnic Russians . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #13
Ethnic Russians that are ukrainian citizens and lived on ukrainian territory for decades. DetlefK Jan 2015 #18
If their families have lived where they are for generations, why should they leave? another_liberal Jan 2015 #22
Please enlighten me. DetlefK Jan 2015 #23
You are entitled to your own opinion . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #24
Go on. What made you reach YOUR opinion? Is there something I have missed? DetlefK Jan 2015 #25
If we warn a government we don't like to not use its police on violent street demonstrations . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #29
So... you don't remember how you got that idea that the US is to blame in Ukraine??? DetlefK Jan 2015 #30
It was very clear to anyone who was paying attention, with an open mind . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #31
Pics or it didn't happen. DetlefK Jan 2015 #32
Oh, it happened alright . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #33
For fuck's sake!!! WHAT EVIDENCE IS YOUR OPINION BASED ON??? DetlefK Jan 2015 #36
I am not going back to November, 2013, just to bring you up to speed . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #38
"Read those 31 pages in my journal and everything will be clear." DetlefK Jan 2015 #39
You wanted to know what I was basing my opinion on . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #40
I didn't think there were any left. DeSwiss Jan 2015 #34
So... US citizens have no right to complain about the actions of a foreign government? DetlefK Jan 2015 #37
no: i blame you russia. get out of ukrane , which u dont own never have , never will allan01 Jan 2015 #3
I am pretty sure a nation state... iandhr Jan 2015 #5
They'll argue that Novorossiya oops, I mean the Donbass.. Adrahil Jan 2015 #6
So the people don't matter much then . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #8
No iandhr Jan 2015 #14
Is there actually proof, "Russia is invading the sovereign territory of Ukraine?" another_liberal Jan 2015 #15
No evidence. It's a talking point. nt elias49 Jan 2015 #19
Actually, there is, but you like to dismiss proof without saying why. DetlefK Jan 2015 #26
sounds pretty much like the Iraqis trying to kill american troops bonniebgood Jan 2015 #7
We need to stop financing and encouraging these little wars everywhere . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #9
Moscow also blamed Georgia and the Crimea for the violence of the Russian invasion too. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #10
Except that Georgia invaded South Ossetia first . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #11
Fantastic pace of expansionism for Moscow these days, regardless of how you rationalize it. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #16
And what was Russia's business invading Georgia in retaliation? DetlefK Jan 2015 #17
ho boy Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2015 #12
Sounds like Russia is setting up a pretext for a full-blown invasion (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #20
They've been working on it. Igel Jan 2015 #21
Yep, Russia is saying that same thing Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #28
Russia needs to end this and stop suppying the Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #27
K&R DeSwiss Jan 2015 #35
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