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DetlefK

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4. And Russia needs to realize that Ukraine is a sovereign nation. As is Georgia.

Mon Jan 26, 2015, 11:10 AM

Jan 2015

Russia is meddling in Ukraine because it wants some kind of vassal-state as a buffer at the border. That's their geopolitical strategy. Ukraine no longer serves that purpose since the voters are increasingly torn towards the West. So Russia now tries to build a Novorossija-state at the border.

And what about Georgia? Ethnic tensions near the border, Russia invades Georgia in 2008, baddabing-baddabum, two brand-new vassal-states at the russian border on what used to territory of the nation of Georgia.

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Russia blames Ukraine for violence, urges West not to support Kiev [View all] another_liberal Jan 2015 OP

Germany urges pro-Russian separatists to halt offensive on Mariupol bemildred Jan 2015 #1

Good for Chancellor Merkel, at least she isn't complacent about the dangers . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #2

And Russia needs to realize that Ukraine is a sovereign nation. As is Georgia. DetlefK Jan 2015 #4

Eastern Ukraine is largely populated by ethnic Russians . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #13

Ethnic Russians that are ukrainian citizens and lived on ukrainian territory for decades. DetlefK Jan 2015 #18

If their families have lived where they are for generations, why should they leave? another_liberal Jan 2015 #22

Please enlighten me. DetlefK Jan 2015 #23

You are entitled to your own opinion . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #24

Go on. What made you reach YOUR opinion? Is there something I have missed? DetlefK Jan 2015 #25

If we warn a government we don't like to not use its police on violent street demonstrations . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #29

So... you don't remember how you got that idea that the US is to blame in Ukraine??? DetlefK Jan 2015 #30

It was very clear to anyone who was paying attention, with an open mind . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #31

Pics or it didn't happen. DetlefK Jan 2015 #32

Oh, it happened alright . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #33

For fuck's sake!!! WHAT EVIDENCE IS YOUR OPINION BASED ON??? DetlefK Jan 2015 #36

I am not going back to November, 2013, just to bring you up to speed . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #38

"Read those 31 pages in my journal and everything will be clear." DetlefK Jan 2015 #39

You wanted to know what I was basing my opinion on . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #40

I didn't think there were any left. DeSwiss Jan 2015 #34

So... US citizens have no right to complain about the actions of a foreign government? DetlefK Jan 2015 #37

no: i blame you russia. get out of ukrane , which u dont own never have , never will allan01 Jan 2015 #3

I am pretty sure a nation state... iandhr Jan 2015 #5

They'll argue that Novorossiya oops, I mean the Donbass.. Adrahil Jan 2015 #6

So the people don't matter much then . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #8

No iandhr Jan 2015 #14

Is there actually proof, "Russia is invading the sovereign territory of Ukraine?" another_liberal Jan 2015 #15

No evidence. It's a talking point. nt elias49 Jan 2015 #19

Actually, there is, but you like to dismiss proof without saying why. DetlefK Jan 2015 #26

sounds pretty much like the Iraqis trying to kill american troops bonniebgood Jan 2015 #7

We need to stop financing and encouraging these little wars everywhere . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #9

Moscow also blamed Georgia and the Crimea for the violence of the Russian invasion too. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #10

Except that Georgia invaded South Ossetia first . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #11

Fantastic pace of expansionism for Moscow these days, regardless of how you rationalize it. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #16

And what was Russia's business invading Georgia in retaliation? DetlefK Jan 2015 #17

ho boy Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2015 #12

Sounds like Russia is setting up a pretext for a full-blown invasion (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #20

They've been working on it. Igel Jan 2015 #21

Yep, Russia is saying that same thing Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #28

Russia needs to end this and stop suppying the Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #27

K&R DeSwiss Jan 2015 #35