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31. It was very clear to anyone who was paying attention, with an open mind . . .

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 08:01 AM

Jan 2015

We financed and helped organize the increasingly violent street demonstrations in Kiev. We threatened the democratically elected government with sanctions if they used police force to control the rioters (even after they built barricades, set buildings on fire and shot at the police). When the government fell due to our efforts, we made sure our hand-picked flunkies seized power (also with the help of violent protesters) and when some eastern regions tried to break away from what they saw as an illegal government in Kiev, we encouraged our newly installed puppets to use the Ukrainian military against its own citizens.

That this was all done in the service of our hugely greedy Western mega-bankers and energy corporations kind of goes without saying; after all, that's who our international aggressions always serve.

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Russia blames Ukraine for violence, urges West not to support Kiev [View all] another_liberal Jan 2015 OP

Germany urges pro-Russian separatists to halt offensive on Mariupol bemildred Jan 2015 #1

Good for Chancellor Merkel, at least she isn't complacent about the dangers . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #2

And Russia needs to realize that Ukraine is a sovereign nation. As is Georgia. DetlefK Jan 2015 #4

Eastern Ukraine is largely populated by ethnic Russians . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #13

Ethnic Russians that are ukrainian citizens and lived on ukrainian territory for decades. DetlefK Jan 2015 #18

If their families have lived where they are for generations, why should they leave? another_liberal Jan 2015 #22

Please enlighten me. DetlefK Jan 2015 #23

You are entitled to your own opinion . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #24

Go on. What made you reach YOUR opinion? Is there something I have missed? DetlefK Jan 2015 #25

If we warn a government we don't like to not use its police on violent street demonstrations . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #29

So... you don't remember how you got that idea that the US is to blame in Ukraine??? DetlefK Jan 2015 #30

It was very clear to anyone who was paying attention, with an open mind . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #31

Pics or it didn't happen. DetlefK Jan 2015 #32

Oh, it happened alright . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #33

For fuck's sake!!! WHAT EVIDENCE IS YOUR OPINION BASED ON??? DetlefK Jan 2015 #36

I am not going back to November, 2013, just to bring you up to speed . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #38

"Read those 31 pages in my journal and everything will be clear." DetlefK Jan 2015 #39

You wanted to know what I was basing my opinion on . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #40

I didn't think there were any left. DeSwiss Jan 2015 #34

So... US citizens have no right to complain about the actions of a foreign government? DetlefK Jan 2015 #37

no: i blame you russia. get out of ukrane , which u dont own never have , never will allan01 Jan 2015 #3

I am pretty sure a nation state... iandhr Jan 2015 #5

They'll argue that Novorossiya oops, I mean the Donbass.. Adrahil Jan 2015 #6

So the people don't matter much then . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #8

No iandhr Jan 2015 #14

Is there actually proof, "Russia is invading the sovereign territory of Ukraine?" another_liberal Jan 2015 #15

No evidence. It's a talking point. nt elias49 Jan 2015 #19

Actually, there is, but you like to dismiss proof without saying why. DetlefK Jan 2015 #26

sounds pretty much like the Iraqis trying to kill american troops bonniebgood Jan 2015 #7

We need to stop financing and encouraging these little wars everywhere . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #9

Moscow also blamed Georgia and the Crimea for the violence of the Russian invasion too. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #10

Except that Georgia invaded South Ossetia first . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #11

Fantastic pace of expansionism for Moscow these days, regardless of how you rationalize it. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #16

And what was Russia's business invading Georgia in retaliation? DetlefK Jan 2015 #17

ho boy Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2015 #12

Sounds like Russia is setting up a pretext for a full-blown invasion (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #20

They've been working on it. Igel Jan 2015 #21

Yep, Russia is saying that same thing Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #28

Russia needs to end this and stop suppying the Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #27

K&R DeSwiss Jan 2015 #35