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Igel

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9. Not everybody incarcerated in the USSR was in a GULag.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:45 PM
Jan 2012

Many were in internal exile--not, strictly speaking, part of the GULag system. Internal exile could be fairly innocuous--exiling an academic from Moscow to Estonia, for example. Or less innocuous, exiling a dissident to a village in Siberia.

We also routinely ignore the numbers of dead from the GULags.

You want fun, compare any high-security prison with the accounts in Shalamov's "Kolyma Tales." And if you find a chance egregious account in the US, consider that Kolyma was the way the government and powers that be formally intended it to run.

Then there were the actual prisons and jails. Easy to fill them with whomever you want when the government is the employer and has the right to fire anybody--and then to imprison you because you have no official, legal means of support.

We'll ignore that the percentage of people at the GULag's height was based on a population a bit more than 1/2 of the current US population.

Yep, the rate of imprisonment is too high. Then again, so is the rate of some forms of criminality.

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“If mass incarceration is considered as a system of social control ... then the system ... Jim__ Jan 2012 #1
So, the War on Drugs and on illegal immigration IS because of the profit motive. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2012 #2
I'll say it once again: BUSINESS IS EVIL gopiscrap Jan 2012 #3
And the Neo Cons, Smurk, Snarl, Rummie and others who deserve solitary confinement Guy Montag Jan 2012 #4
You become what you hate. nt bemildred Jan 2012 #5
If that were true, right-wingers would be gods - they hate everything good that life produces. saras Jan 2012 #10
Well, it's a metaphor, one doesn't want to be too literal with it. bemildred Jan 2012 #11
Good edit. bemildred Jan 2012 #12
When will we ever change? morningfog Jan 2012 #6
This is a great, informative article. Project Grudge Jan 2012 #7
Stalin didn't have as many in gulags SnakeEyes Jan 2012 #8
Not everybody incarcerated in the USSR was in a GULag. Igel Jan 2012 #9
What causes the imprisonment rate to be too high is that morningfog Jan 2012 #16
That should be broken down to violent crimes and non-violent crimes. jwirr Jan 2012 #13
Land of the free, home of the brave Hawkowl Jan 2012 #14
"they're tryin' to build a prison, for you and me to live in..." Soylent Brice Jan 2012 #15
Hey, you!!! dixiegrrrrl Jan 2012 #17
hey stranger! Soylent Brice Feb 2012 #20
Really glad to see you here. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #21
K&R Solly Mack Jan 2012 #18
This is in spite of the fact that the violent crime rate is LOWER than in the 1980s Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2012 #19
great read n/t RainDog Feb 2012 #22
That'a a direct result of corporate supremacy as is promoted by the corporate media. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #23
It feels like we are in pretty well developed police state now, but damn, they keep surprising me. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #25
I'm sure the Germans; felt the same way in the early to mid 30s, their world was changing Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #26
There are many programs on television now dedicated to nothing but criminalizing the American People dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #28
concerning Obamas tough stance on marijuana.... patrick t. cakes Feb 2012 #24
For profit prisons are only going to make things worse. sarcasmo Feb 2012 #27
We live in a special kind of police state Rex Feb 2012 #29
That is nothing new, actually, here. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #30
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