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Maedhros

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3. In the big picture, Obama will be primarily remembered as the President
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 01:06 AM
Jan 2015

that legitimized the extraordinary behavior of the Bush Administration.

At the end of Bush's second term, Americans were disgusted with the Bush/Cheney Administration. There were four major, controversial ideas put forth by Bush and Cheney:

1. Preemptive wars of aggression, against countries that did not pose a threat to the United States, are acceptable as tools in the geopolitical game.

2. The natural state of affairs for the United States is that of perpetual war, and that war is everywhere and against anyone we designate as supporting "terrorism."

3. Torture is no longer a war crime.

4. Dick Cheney's "Imperial Presidency," an institution that answers to no other branch of government when affairs of "national security" are at stake.

There was a time that these ideas were viewed with shock and alarm by Americans. Now they elicit a shrug.

History will view the Obama Presidency as the one that failed to curtail the Bush Era abuses, but instead embraced them. When a controversial idea in America is championed by both political parties, that idea becomes ordinary and dropped from the debate. Going forward, future Presidents will also embrace these ideas and come up with some new ones of their own.

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As time goes by and the full impact of the ACA is realized and it becomes an expected program Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #1
Posted to for later. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #2
In the big picture, Obama will be primarily remembered as the President Maedhros Jan 2015 #3
And the ACA will be an unmitigated disaster Doctor_J Jan 2015 #6
Your implication that Bartlet Jan 2015 #8
there is no such implication. We STILL have the worst system in the world, Doctor_J Jan 2015 #9
So ACA did NOT improve anything, made it worse? REALLY? randys1 Jan 2015 #26
It's better for some, worse for others, more expensive, and absolutely killed SP Doctor_J Jan 2015 #34
Who is it worse for? You dont believe the rightwing talking point lie that ACA is causing higher randys1 Jan 2015 #41
That is how the Chomsky left will see him. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #10
Its the Chomsky left now? TM99 Jan 2015 #11
Obama=Bush people are the ones who are not Democrats. nt geek tragedy Jan 2015 #12
Just two sides of the same coin. TM99 Jan 2015 #13
So you live in the past pining for a party that no longer geek tragedy Jan 2015 #14
New is not always better, and TM99 Jan 2015 #19
Race had everything to do with it. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #21
Yours is not a cogent argument. TM99 Jan 2015 #22
Policies that appeal to blacks and Hispanics turn off white geek tragedy Jan 2015 #23
I disagree. TM99 Jan 2015 #24
Many white voters assume "economic justice" means "helping undeserving minorities." geek tragedy Jan 2015 #25
Left Leaning Independent.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #27
The same Left Leaning Independents who excoriated FDR in his day because he wasn't liberal enough. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #28
Political Curmudgeons! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #30
I think it's genetic. :-) eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #31
Born that way! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #32
Also in fairness to Obama, he is just a continuation of the Bush presidency. But his "change" Doctor_J Jan 2015 #37
go here(link) for the bigger picture quadrature Jan 2015 #4
Mahalo, awake Cha Jan 2015 #5
The best Presidents were those who wanted to do something with the office... happyslug Jan 2015 #7
As One Who Stated Once That Had I Been Able To Vote ChiciB1 Jan 2015 #16
A paper was written by a Naval Officer, telling how far right the Military has moved since Reagan. happyslug Jan 2015 #18
Torture, Surveillance State, the 1%/TBTF, relentlessly sabotaged public education and workers blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #15
I think not... gregcrawford Jan 2015 #17
He did salvage the economy Doctor_J Jan 2015 #20
Most definitely. Left-leaning Independent demagogues criticizing FDR, have all been forgotten and BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #29
NO, I don't think so Demeter Jan 2015 #33
If those who write history are fans of corporate solutions to problems, torture, more war, Doctor_J Jan 2015 #35
that's not history, that's propaganda Demeter Jan 2015 #36
I think I am going to file this OP right next to this one Doctor_J Jan 2015 #38
Two more years Madmiddle Jan 2015 #39
In education, he is pursuing a corrupt privatization agenda driven by hedge fund managers yurbud Jan 2015 #40
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