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In reply to the discussion: Five Reasons the MI6 Story is a Lie [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)1. BBC and GUARDIAN are covering it--doesn't sound like they think it's false.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/14/russia-and-china-broke-into-snowden-files-to-identify-british-and-us-spies
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-33125068
Here's the TIMES article--copied to another site (they are behind a paywall): http://cryptome.org/2015/06/ru-cn-snowden-1m-docs.htm
This blogger doesn't have the bubble, I don't think.
I think the agents they need to extract aren't MI6....they're of the "double" type, or simple "informants." Or something else, operating outside the normal bounds. They are people that the MI6 agents were RUNNING. "Assets," if you will. And now, those people and their families are running--away from Russia and China.
It's nice this guy thinks everyone operates under the Marquess of Queensberry rules, but that's just not real life.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-33125068
Here's the TIMES article--copied to another site (they are behind a paywall): http://cryptome.org/2015/06/ru-cn-snowden-1m-docs.htm
RUSSIA and China have cracked the top-secret cache of files stolen by the fugitive US whistleblower Edward Snowden, forcing MI6 to pull agents out of live operations in hostile countries, according to senior officials in Downing Street, the Home Office and the security services.
Western intelligence agencies say they have been forced into the rescue operations after Moscow gained access to more than 1m classified files held by the former American security contractor, who fled to seek protection from Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, after mounting one of the largest leaks in US history.
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It is not clear whether Russia and China stole Snowdens data, or whether he voluntarily handed over his secret documents in order to remain at liberty in Hong Kong and Moscow.
Western intelligence agencies say they have been forced into the rescue operations after Moscow gained access to more than 1m classified files held by the former American security contractor, who fled to seek protection from Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, after mounting one of the largest leaks in US history.
.....
It is not clear whether Russia and China stole Snowdens data, or whether he voluntarily handed over his secret documents in order to remain at liberty in Hong Kong and Moscow.
This blogger doesn't have the bubble, I don't think.
I think the agents they need to extract aren't MI6....they're of the "double" type, or simple "informants." Or something else, operating outside the normal bounds. They are people that the MI6 agents were RUNNING. "Assets," if you will. And now, those people and their families are running--away from Russia and China.
It's nice this guy thinks everyone operates under the Marquess of Queensberry rules, but that's just not real life.
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The articles seem to indicate they're moving people, and I don't get the sense they have
MADem
Jun 2015
#3
It doesn't make sense that they'd be panicking about people with diplomatic immunity.
MADem
Jun 2015
#6
Funny, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, initially, but when he
MADem
Jun 2015
#10
I'm talking about the US files there, the OPM and security clearance databases.
bemildred
Jun 2015
#11
Can't see why he'd be accessing personnel files as a contractor--that would set off
MADem
Jun 2015
#12
I doubt Snowden accessed the OPM and security databases, that was recent, they say the Chinese.
bemildred
Jun 2015
#13
I agree--I don't think Snowden downloaded personnel records, at least not payroll material.
MADem
Jun 2015
#16
I dislike the WATIMES as a source (Rev Moon) but if the Chinese got the SF-86s, they got a lot of
MADem
Jun 2015
#18
I think they know. They may not be telling us, but I'll bet they've figured it out.
MADem
Jun 2015
#20