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MADem

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1. BBC and GUARDIAN are covering it--doesn't sound like they think it's false.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 04:51 AM
Jun 2015
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/14/russia-and-china-broke-into-snowden-files-to-identify-british-and-us-spies


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-33125068

Here's the TIMES article--copied to another site (they are behind a paywall): http://cryptome.org/2015/06/ru-cn-snowden-1m-docs.htm
RUSSIA and China have cracked the top-secret cache of files stolen by the fugitive US whistleblower Edward Snowden, forcing MI6 to pull agents out of live operations in hostile countries, according to senior officials in Downing Street, the Home Office and the security services.

Western intelligence agencies say they have been forced into the rescue operations after Moscow gained access to more than 1m classified files held by the former American security contractor, who fled to seek protection from Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, after mounting one of the largest leaks in US history.
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It is not clear whether Russia and China stole Snowden’s data, or whether he voluntarily handed over his secret documents in order to remain at liberty in Hong Kong and Moscow.


This blogger doesn't have the bubble, I don't think.

I think the agents they need to extract aren't MI6....they're of the "double" type, or simple "informants." Or something else, operating outside the normal bounds. They are people that the MI6 agents were RUNNING. "Assets," if you will. And now, those people and their families are running--away from Russia and China.

It's nice this guy thinks everyone operates under the Marquess of Queensberry rules, but that's just not real life.

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BBC and GUARDIAN are covering it--doesn't sound like they think it's false. MADem Jun 2015 #1
Yeah, I really trust them a lot. bemildred Jun 2015 #2
The articles seem to indicate they're moving people, and I don't get the sense they have MADem Jun 2015 #3
They are just repeating what they were told. nt bemildred Jun 2015 #5
It doesn't make sense that they'd be panicking about people with diplomatic immunity. MADem Jun 2015 #6
First it has to be true. Not a lie. Then we can worry about making sense. bemildred Jun 2015 #8
Funny, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, initially, but when he MADem Jun 2015 #10
And what if that data is being sold to identity thieves? bemildred Jun 2015 #4
That would depend if personnel files were included in the trove. Unlikely. MADem Jun 2015 #9
I'm talking about the US files there, the OPM and security clearance databases. bemildred Jun 2015 #11
Can't see why he'd be accessing personnel files as a contractor--that would set off MADem Jun 2015 #12
I doubt Snowden accessed the OPM and security databases, that was recent, they say the Chinese. bemildred Jun 2015 #13
I agree--I don't think Snowden downloaded personnel records, at least not payroll material. MADem Jun 2015 #16
Ex-NSA official: Cybersecurity breach gave China intelligence ‘crown jewels’ bemildred Jun 2015 #15
I dislike the WATIMES as a source (Rev Moon) but if the Chinese got the SF-86s, they got a lot of MADem Jun 2015 #18
Me too, but in this case they have lots of company. bemildred Jun 2015 #19
I think they know. They may not be telling us, but I'll bet they've figured it out. MADem Jun 2015 #20
Well, that's my point. nt bemildred Jun 2015 #21
Hmm...Let's see. Unknown Beatle Jun 2015 #14
No-no-no!!! MADem Jun 2015 #17
Five things we know to be true BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #7
I dont call him "Comrade Snowden" for nuttin! ,,,,,, Cryptoad Jun 2015 #23
Nice job of condensing. Specially point 5. marble falls Jun 2015 #24
Indeed… Why would you believe the liars now??? MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #22
The "real story" dotymed Jun 2015 #25
Nailed it. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #29
I'll give you a sixth: all of the NSA information was old, and dated back to the Bush era. leveymg Jun 2015 #26
Meanwhile, as I recall, when the Bush administration outed Valerie Plame SheilaT Jun 2015 #27
So Obvious. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #28
Recommend. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #30
Cyber Attack On This Site to Crash MI6 Post bemildred Jun 2015 #31
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