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223. Your link does not give the 2016 popular vote for caucuses as described.

Thu Mar 31, 2016, 06:36 PM

Mar 2016

It adds the words "or equivalent" to popular vote. In the case of my state (WA caucus), the number that you are trying to claim is the popular vote, is actually the number of delegates to county/legislative district conventions that were elected!

Popular vote to county delegate conversion is NOT a 1:1 equivalent of popular vote! It cannot simply be added to the popular vote of primary-holding states as if it was the same thing, because it is not. If, on average, a precinct with 8 delegates to allocate has 100 caucusgoers show up to "vote," that precinct will report 8 "votes," not 100, which leads to each caucusgoer only being "worth" 8/100 of a voter or .08 vote when the caucus results are added to the popular vote!

The actual "popular vote" of the WA caucus is not reported. I have not been able to find the raw vote count used to arrive at the local convention delegate totals anywhere. I am not sure whether or not all states that had caucuses in 2008 reported the actual raw popular vote, but I know DAMN sure they're not bothering to report popular vote in 2016.

That is why I focused on pledged delegates, not popular vote.

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A Bernie Sanders Supporter Confronted a Superdelegate — Then Leaked Their Private Conversation [View all] chervilant Mar 2016 OP

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Our younglings chervilant Mar 2016 #15

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So beltanefauve Mar 2016 #80

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Do try to read first. I clearly stated that he did. Amimnoch Mar 2016 #216

Your link does not give the 2016 popular vote for caucuses as described. strategery blunder Mar 2016 #223

Bingo. stopbush Mar 2016 #57

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The party chervilant Mar 2016 #50

Logic? CrowCityDem Mar 2016 #42

welcome and well said. Sheepshank Mar 2016 #48

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^^^^ THIS ^^^^ Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #112

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LOL! 2banon Mar 2016 #173

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Ahem strategery blunder Mar 2016 #176

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Any superdelegate who does not recognize the electoral consequences strategery blunder Mar 2016 #169

You are so right. chervilant Mar 2016 #179

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K&R dchill Mar 2016 #76

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Thin-skinned, chervilant Mar 2016 #94

There ya go Eko Mar 2016 #87

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I've only recently begun hearing chervilant Mar 2016 #113

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We don't HAVE a nominee... chervilant Mar 2016 #116

"Leaked?" Please. She spoke "cavalierly." merrily Mar 2016 #129

Please note that chervilant Mar 2016 #133

? I did not say you changed the headline. I simply commented on the OP article by merrily Mar 2016 #140

It seems you responded to me. n/t chervilant Mar 2016 #141

Please read my post 140 again. Thanks. merrily Mar 2016 #143

I have no idea what you mean. chervilant Mar 2016 #144

No. Both posts could not be more clear. merrily Mar 2016 #145

I think it's clear chervilant Mar 2016 #147

"Commented on the OP article" as in Reply 140, in the only merrily Mar 2016 #148

merrily, please stop. chervilant Mar 2016 #150

Thanks. I love unintentional irony. merrily Mar 2016 #151

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The Corruption, Theft, and Mendacity Is Becoming Crystal-Clear To MANY In This Primary... AzDar Mar 2016 #160

It is, indeed. chervilant Mar 2016 #165

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That's where I found the article. chervilant Mar 2016 #180

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The Revolution's enemy hit list grows. LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #177

she obviously didn't like his "tone". ish of the hammer Mar 2016 #182

Perhaps. chervilant Mar 2016 #199

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No need to be ugly to others. chervilant Mar 2016 #210

It's my and your children's lives, friend. ish of the hammer Mar 2016 #211

Interestingly, chervilant Mar 2016 #217

Thank you for taking the time to respond. Clearly ish of the hammer Mar 2016 #218

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Wow. chervilant Mar 2016 #200

Forget the verbiage, address the substance! BernersFaceFacts Mar 2016 #215

Just FYI, all the Hi11ary supporters chervilant Mar 2016 #205

I get it, that Sanders supporters want... LAS14 Mar 2016 #206

When you post in Good Reads, chervilant Mar 2016 #208

Aren't there laws about recording conversations without consent? RandySF Apr 2016 #226

Wow. Add this to the evidence file. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #238