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In reply to the discussion: Yes, Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat and Hillary represents the very worst of the party/SALON [View all]Sparkly
(24,574 posts)36. I take issue with this.
The terms "Left" and "Right" don't mean much unless we get down to specifics, and separate the goals from the means.
Half of this is about President Obama, counter-terrorism, and the disasters left behind by the Bush administration -- along with a lot of hyperbole (such as the terrible WWI treatment of "whistleblowers" .
When the essay finally gets down to specific issues, we're told:
"Clinton has flatly insisted that Americans cannot have basic things that much of the world takes for granted single-payer health care, free public higher education, environmental policies that dont rely on fossil fuel corporations that destroy the planet. Sanders says otherwise."
This is not true. She has never "flatly insisted" any such things. She wanted single-payer a long time ago, but there's a difference between wanting something and getting it. Republicans are still talking about "repealing Obamacare." Does anybody think words and wishes about single-payer will make it so?
Free public higher education -- Clinton has a plan for this, as well. The difference is that she doesn't want to make it free to millionaires, and her plan includes work/study programs. If we get any of that done, it's ambitious.
Her environmental policies are not about destroying the planet. Good grief, Al Gore pioneered the issue with Earth in the Balance, and he's been considered "DINO" since Nader ran against him! Her goals:
"Generate enough renewable energy to power every home in America, with half a billion solar panels installed by the end of Hillarys first term. Cut energy waste in American homes, schools, hospitals and offices by a third and make American manufacturing the cleanest and most efficient in the world. Reduce American oil consumption by a third through cleaner fuels and more efficient cars, boilers, ships and trucks."
It's ironic that the essay laments: "Yet the Democratic Party of the mid-20th century is long gone."
YES IT IS. We had Dixiecrats in those days. We didn't have total support for equal rights for women, let alone LGBT rights. We still fought in wars, and in fact had a draft. So the idea that there used to be a perfect leftist Democratic party in America and just lately it's gone off the rails to the right is as revisionist as the Republican idea that happy Ozzie and Harriet households were the norm once upon a time, and we just need to get back to that.
And the idea that we have purists who CARE, and evil "establishment" Democrats who DON'T, is simplistic and dumbs down the debate. If Sanders' campaign has convinced people that the Democratic Party is "corrupt," I don't see how that moves us forward from where we are -- not where we imagine we once were, not where we wish to be in future, but where we ARE.
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Yes, Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat and Hillary represents the very worst of the party/SALON [View all]
Mira
Apr 2016
OP
K & R. Same. The party must be reclaimed, also the term 'liberal' that's been misused by cons.
appalachiablue
Apr 2016
#113
Dems: so bad they're responsibly for every piece of legislative progress in our lifetimes.
CrowCityDem
Apr 2016
#2
everything republicans want back- no regulations for drug corps, insurance can refuse or dump people
Sunlei
Apr 2016
#139
Not in the last few decades. Nixon had more progressive legislation than Obama.
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#115
No shit, the EPA was Nixon's doing and have to mention it worked better back then than it does now
mrdmk
Apr 2016
#135
If it had been a fair process, I would disagree with you, but given the wholesale fraud
FlatBaroque
Apr 2016
#5
Agree, after the sham way Bernie's been treated by the DNC, M$M, all bets are off!
appalachiablue
Apr 2016
#114
If there's no poll data, then you absolutely can't make claims about his chances
Orrex
Apr 2016
#105
This is what is to be expected when both Parties are backed by the same wealthy Donors!
Dustlawyer
Apr 2016
#35
Also states like WI, AZ, RI and probably more closing many polling places
appalachiablue
Apr 2016
#116
"expose to millions upon millions of Americans just how reactionary and corrupt the Democratic Party
scottie55
Apr 2016
#13
Here is the real deal, after eight years of the Clinton Administration and all we got eight years of
mrdmk
Apr 2016
#141
Bernie Sanders co-founded what is now the largest Democratic Caucus in the US Congress
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2016
#44
If you read this article, you wouldn't find it convincing to argue that Bernie is not
bjo59
Apr 2016
#71
Bush-Lite, I was always partial to Rolling Rock myself, would only drink it if there was nothing
AuntPatsy
Apr 2016
#28
I've heard and read all I need to about her proposals and positions, thanks.
truebluegreen
Apr 2016
#58
So you think the poor women and children today are better off after Clinton's
appalachiablue
Apr 2016
#123
"On top of that, he seems to be an egoist."...you are quite an astute observer of politicians, eh?
islandmkl
Apr 2016
#67
Radical was anti Civil Rights, John Bircher, Libertarian Barry Goldwater who
appalachiablue
Apr 2016
#120
Hillary Clinton will still win the Democratic nomination and be elected President.
George II
Apr 2016
#76
Democrats would still be trying to push the fiction they really want single payer.
pa28
Apr 2016
#91
I don't think the Clinton camp cares one iota about the party or the country...
polichick
Apr 2016
#101
Bernie is a Democrat, for life I might add, as announced already. Not only that, but he
silvershadow
Apr 2016
#103
Wouldn't it be great if there were a Jesus President who could magically satisfy the wants and needs
The_Casual_Observer
Apr 2016
#126
In related news, Emperor's staff condemns child for suggesting the monarch lacks clothes...
drokhole
Apr 2016
#144