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In reply to the discussion: Yes, Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat and Hillary represents the very worst of the party/SALON [View all]Orrex
(65,325 posts)105. If there's no poll data, then you absolutely can't make claims about his chances
The bold text was a formatting error, now corrected. My bad.
IF Sanders already has such high independent voter numbers now, those would only increase if he shed his Democrat label.
Really? Why do you say that? How do you know that the mighty Independent electorate would rally behind him? It's entirely possible (and quite likely) that large numbers have already decided to vote Democrat or Republican and would do so even if Sanders turns back into an Independent. On what basis do you imagine that they'd make the leap? Give me evidence, please--I'm not a person of faith.
And while some Democrats that are for Bernie now would submit to the powers that be and DWS and endorse the party sanctioned candidate...I project that the deeply important progressive issues, many traditional Democratic policies, that he is proposing has garnered him the type of support that is not so easily turned away from once it is finally offered.
That's some pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking. It seems far more likely that a majority of Democrats will vote for the Democrat and won't magically be persuaded to jump ship to vote for the Independent. There is no reasonable basis to conclude otherwise. I project that many will understandably resent him for fracturing the non-GOP vote, and they'll recognize his Independent campaign as a self-serving political stunt.
There is a yuuuuge segment of Democrats that have been simmering and stewing more and more as Obama allowed the status quo to continue after promising change.
I'm not sure that's true, or at any rate I strongly doubt that enough of these stewing Democrats are willing to hand the election to the GOP by voting for the Independent.
Add to that independents and even Republicans that would never vote for a Democrat and hate the choices that their own party has given them.....
Then one would hope that these mythical Independents would recognize and reject the cynical opportunism that inspired Sanders to campaign as a Democrat in the first place.
Fortunately, I have greater confidence in Sanders' integrity than his supporters, and I'm confident that he knows that he'd guarantee a Republican victory if he were to run as an Independent. Therefore I don't believe that he'll do so.
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Yes, Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat and Hillary represents the very worst of the party/SALON [View all]
Mira
Apr 2016
OP
K & R. Same. The party must be reclaimed, also the term 'liberal' that's been misused by cons.
appalachiablue
Apr 2016
#113
Dems: so bad they're responsibly for every piece of legislative progress in our lifetimes.
CrowCityDem
Apr 2016
#2
everything republicans want back- no regulations for drug corps, insurance can refuse or dump people
Sunlei
Apr 2016
#139
Not in the last few decades. Nixon had more progressive legislation than Obama.
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#115
No shit, the EPA was Nixon's doing and have to mention it worked better back then than it does now
mrdmk
Apr 2016
#135
If it had been a fair process, I would disagree with you, but given the wholesale fraud
FlatBaroque
Apr 2016
#5
Agree, after the sham way Bernie's been treated by the DNC, M$M, all bets are off!
appalachiablue
Apr 2016
#114
If there's no poll data, then you absolutely can't make claims about his chances
Orrex
Apr 2016
#105
This is what is to be expected when both Parties are backed by the same wealthy Donors!
Dustlawyer
Apr 2016
#35
Also states like WI, AZ, RI and probably more closing many polling places
appalachiablue
Apr 2016
#116
"expose to millions upon millions of Americans just how reactionary and corrupt the Democratic Party
scottie55
Apr 2016
#13
Here is the real deal, after eight years of the Clinton Administration and all we got eight years of
mrdmk
Apr 2016
#141
Bernie Sanders co-founded what is now the largest Democratic Caucus in the US Congress
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2016
#44
If you read this article, you wouldn't find it convincing to argue that Bernie is not
bjo59
Apr 2016
#71
Bush-Lite, I was always partial to Rolling Rock myself, would only drink it if there was nothing
AuntPatsy
Apr 2016
#28
I've heard and read all I need to about her proposals and positions, thanks.
truebluegreen
Apr 2016
#58
So you think the poor women and children today are better off after Clinton's
appalachiablue
Apr 2016
#123
"On top of that, he seems to be an egoist."...you are quite an astute observer of politicians, eh?
islandmkl
Apr 2016
#67
Radical was anti Civil Rights, John Bircher, Libertarian Barry Goldwater who
appalachiablue
Apr 2016
#120
Hillary Clinton will still win the Democratic nomination and be elected President.
George II
Apr 2016
#76
Democrats would still be trying to push the fiction they really want single payer.
pa28
Apr 2016
#91
I don't think the Clinton camp cares one iota about the party or the country...
polichick
Apr 2016
#101
Bernie is a Democrat, for life I might add, as announced already. Not only that, but he
silvershadow
Apr 2016
#103
Wouldn't it be great if there were a Jesus President who could magically satisfy the wants and needs
The_Casual_Observer
Apr 2016
#126
In related news, Emperor's staff condemns child for suggesting the monarch lacks clothes...
drokhole
Apr 2016
#144