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Andy823

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97. That's true

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:57 PM

May 2016

It's not just Bernie, it's also the right wing trolls that came on the internet after Obama won and started doing their dirty work of trying to divide Democrats on every board they could find, including DU. They started on Obama from day one, and then they started on the party as a whole, the 3rd way meme came to be, and anyone who didn't agree with how "terrible" Obama or the party was, got stuck with the "Turd way" label. they were obvious as hell, but they kept on going over the years and were able to con some of the more gullible Democrats who didn't get "their" pony when Obama was elected.

Now they have united behind Bernie and are using him to divide the party even further. The reality is they are the ones making all kinds of "claims" about Bernie or Bust, write in Bernie's name even if he doesn't win, or trying to paint Hillary as just as bad, if not worse than Trump. So you are right it isn't all Bernie, he has had a lot of help from Karl Rove and his minions.

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How the Hell We Got Here: Why the Democratic Party is Splitting [View all] pmorlan1 May 2016 OP

Thanks! This section on the Clinton Machine's Media domination is worth re-posting: NewImproved Deal May 2016 #1

The drumbeats for the Iraq war seem so familiar now....just like the coronation drumbeats. bbgrunt May 2016 #36

The pattern is indeed repeatedly discernable. eom Betty Karlson May 2016 #41

Excellent Post McKim May 2016 #126

nothing compared with this certainot May 2016 #95

Didn't split in 2008. Won't split in 2016. onehandle May 2016 #2

I disagree pmorlan1 May 2016 #4

This time we have a Democrat and an 'also ran.' onehandle May 2016 #7

What drivel kaleckim May 2016 #26

Excellent pmorlan1 May 2016 #42

Very sad. Duval May 2016 #89

You keep waiting for that indictment fairy. Sorry, she isn't coming. leftofcool May 2016 #53

Do the math. AlbertCat May 2016 #71

Like I said, do the math. Hillary will be the nominee. leftofcool May 2016 #76

And She will LOSE the election to Trump. weknowvino2 May 2016 #80

Praying this isn't so. lark May 2016 #86

You really should check your Demographics leftofcool May 2016 #130

Fewer than 12 Federal Agents currently investigating her. frylock May 2016 #112

Thank you nvme May 2016 #131

K&R! n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #55

You know me so well. nt onehandle May 2016 #63

+ 1,000,000 n/t TIME TO PANIC May 2016 #70

Agree Worldly Traveler May 2016 #84

the left is stupid to expect the sanders warrens and wellstones to certainot May 2016 #96

Great theory kaleckim May 2016 #135

so, what part of obama's gansta community organizer mooslim certainot May 2016 #136

Yes kaleckim May 2016 #137

what part of the simple math in my original comment is hard to understand certainot May 2016 #138

Excellent Carolina May 2016 #129

Agreed. TwilightZone May 2016 #11

Hahaha. KPN May 2016 #50

So either folks here are democrats who support the party regardless where the party goes... PoliticalMalcontent May 2016 #21

Frank and right on! KPN May 2016 #51

No, actually it is not. I and millions of others are TIRED of getting screwed by PatrickforO May 2016 #30

Exactly! leftofcool May 2016 #54

Agreed. This is hyperbole Stuckinthebush May 2016 #64

How many primaries have you seen? When did you begin to vote? When did you register? Ford_Prefect May 2016 #69

I've seen many Stuckinthebush May 2016 #118

You're right. As much as the Sanders folks wish it was true, it isn't. stopbush May 2016 #94

There was no split to be made in 2008. Both are centrist and corporate. cui bono May 2016 #111

Yeah, this time they are only 96% the same based on their votes. onehandle May 2016 #116

They are no where near 96% the same. cui bono May 2016 #120

Excellent post pmorlan1 May 2016 #142

We are split now. The People thru Sen Sanders are fighting, in some cases literally, for their lives rhett o rick May 2016 #113

The only split is between Internet forum/social media IDs. onehandle May 2016 #117

That's true with the HRC people I know in real life. Gore1FL May 2016 #121

So you admit that Sanders supporters haven't been violent. Well I agree but if you've rhett o rick May 2016 #122

Amen McKim May 2016 #125

It's splitting. n/t tazkcmo May 2016 #132

Huh. Phlem May 2016 #133

the party is not splitting. the opportunist hijacking the party for his own gain is doing the msongs May 2016 #3

Keep your head in the sand. I imagine it's cool down there. BillZBubb May 2016 #5

And doing it badly. 70% of BS voters are reasonable people who have said they will vote for Hillary. Squinch May 2016 #6

The 72% figure (not 70%) is misleading for several reasons. JimDandy May 2016 #46

Wall of words in the service of a candidate who has already lost. I'll pass. Squinch May 2016 #99

TRANSLATION: I don't do imformation. frylock May 2016 #114

Translation: I've got nothin'. NT pablo_marmol May 2016 #123

Thank You.... bvar22 May 2016 #106

Get Over Yourself billhicks76 May 2016 #12

Clinton taking money has jack to do with the election as for the article *meh*the Democrats have cstanleytech May 2016 #14

You Better Hope You're Right billhicks76 May 2016 #32

I am sorry you feel this way. With over 40,000 posts, I'm imagining you've PatrickforO May 2016 #31

Well said. Millions in this country feel they have no representation anymore. Bernie gives them RKP5637 May 2016 #57

Yes, once again the Democrats bungle and bumble there way along LiberalLovinLug May 2016 #104

Exactly!!! I've talked to some of them, they say Trump is the only one addressing their RKP5637 May 2016 #109

Both parties are putting up "bottom of the barrel". nt JEB May 2016 #8

And, it doesn't have to be this way! n/t chervilant May 2016 #27

Seems we let in a Trojan horse candidate. brush May 2016 #9

You obviously haven't been paying attention pmorlan1 May 2016 #10

He's been attacking the party non-stop lately brush May 2016 #13

Maybe they should have been pmorlan1 May 2016 #19

Well why the hell did he join the party if he's so against it? brush May 2016 #24

Why are you so focused on Bernie? pmorlan1 May 2016 #25

That's true Andy823 May 2016 #97

Maybe one day you will get it pmorlan1 May 2016 #98

This party is a double edged sword kaleckim May 2016 #29

"He chose to use the party . . ." Exactly. brush May 2016 #66

Brush, you're just not seeing it for the big picture Ned_Devine May 2016 #33

Not a smart move then to join the party where people are "rolling their eyes at him". brush May 2016 #68

I didn't miss any big picture Ned_Devine May 2016 #79

Interpret it how you want. It still doesn't make sense to me to join a party and then commense . . . brush May 2016 #82

He's attacking the corrupt system, not the voters. The voters have been had Ned_Devine May 2016 #85

I see him constantly attacking the Democratic Party establishment. brush May 2016 #88

You are sounding like a sore loser and you haven't even lost yet passiveporcupine May 2016 #35

"He" has won at least states, something like that I believe. JDPriestly May 2016 #43

well said, thanks eom LittleGirl May 2016 #45

Democrats like me really like him and want him, not Hillary, to be president. AlbertCat May 2016 #72

True. Her one hope is that no one wants Trump. JDPriestly May 2016 #73

Many democrats have been fed up with the democratic party for some time now. RKP5637 May 2016 #58

he is running against the party because passiveporcupine May 2016 #34

Attacking the party you're a member of publicly over and over, never been done before. brush May 2016 #65

Seems you'd be wrong passiveporcupine May 2016 #81

I'd be wrong only if Sanders wins, but the math tells me that is not in the cards. brush May 2016 #83

Whoosh passiveporcupine May 2016 #87

Okay, whatever you say. Your post is tiresome and full or the usual Sanders rhetoric brush May 2016 #93

Maybe you should watch these clips passiveporcupine May 2016 #147

Your Idea is Correct McKim May 2016 #127

Bookmarked for later. Thanks. zentrum May 2016 #15

You're Welcome pmorlan1 May 2016 #18

Thanks. nt silvershadow May 2016 #16

You're Welcome pmorlan1 May 2016 #17

The Party is splitting because the corporate wing decided to insult the base, Maedhros May 2016 #20

Spot-on. Thesis statement of the crux of the issue Populist_Prole May 2016 #38

I disagree. It's because so many people finally got fed up with the corporate wing. Jim Lane May 2016 #44

True. The insults and condescension just reduced the chances for reconciliation. [n/t] Maedhros May 2016 #75

In a word: Money modestybl May 2016 #22

No splitting. timdog44 May 2016 #23

What?!? chervilant May 2016 #28

I think it very sad timdog44 May 2016 #47

Then, chervilant May 2016 #48

It does not serve timdog44 May 2016 #49

It does not serve chervilant May 2016 #119

Really?!? chervilant May 2016 #143

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #37

You are welcome pmorlan1 May 2016 #39

A few highlights. Especially the trend is interesting: Betty Karlson May 2016 #40

+1 Duval May 2016 #92

The party will be fine. apcalc May 2016 #52

The party will be fine after California, so will DU for that matter. redstatebluegirl May 2016 #56

You can blame it on trolls if you want pmorlan1 May 2016 #61

Good article...thanks! Nt HooptieWagon May 2016 #59

You're Welcome pmorlan1 May 2016 #62

Those of you who think Bernie Sanders followers are democrank May 2016 #60

Barbara Boxer D-CA, whose daughter had a son with [Clinton]’s brother Bodych May 2016 #67

There is one thing I disagree with. LiberalCatholic May 2016 #74

DU oftentimes has the feel of junior high drama..... NoMoreRepugs May 2016 #77

Greed, arrogance and blind ambition DebbieCDC May 2016 #78

knr retrowire May 2016 #90

Flash back to the late 1960s WHEN CRABS ROAR May 2016 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc May 2016 #100

YES pmorlan1 May 2016 #103

By covering for them, he did more than legitimize it. bvar22 May 2016 #108

Yes he did pmorlan1 May 2016 #110

Kicked and recommended to the Max! nt Enthusiast May 2016 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author Enthusiast May 2016 #102

On Democratic Party Unity ArcticFox May 2016 #105

Looks Like We're FINALLY Getting Into Some MUCH NEEDED ChiciB1 May 2016 #107

A big difference between Reps and Dems randr May 2016 #115

I hope there is no split, but the fault lines are obvious. hay rick May 2016 #124

Thank you for your thoughtful comments pmorlan1 May 2016 #128

I have visited the Democratic Underground for all my news for 13 years or better but never engaged Machineland May 2016 #134

Great Post pmorlan1 May 2016 #139

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #145

Love it.....your very thorough and convincing...hope Hillary people read this and change their minds Pauldg47 May 2016 #140

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #146

I just noticed pmorlan1 May 2016 #141

It's the Third Way/DLC that caused it. alarimer May 2016 #144