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Showing Original Post only (View all)Election Update: Clinton’s Lead Is As Safe As Kerry’s Was In 2004 - Nate Silver [View all]
There has been a lot of polling over the past few days in advance of the Republican National Convention, which got underway Monday in Cleveland. But it mostly confirmed the conclusion our election forecast models had arrived at late last week: Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump by 3 or 4 percentage points. Thats down from a lead of 6 or 7 percentage points a few weeks ago.
As a result, Trumps odds have improved. He has a 36 percent chance of winning the election, according to our polls-only forecast, and a 38 percent chance according to polls-plus. (While the polls-only and polls-plus forecasts are well aligned now, they may begin to diverge during the conventions more about that in a moment.)
But Clinton remains ahead of Trump in the clear majority of polls. She leads by about the same margin that Barack Obama did heading into the conventions in 2008, and by a somewhat larger margin than Obama did in 2012.
Ive nevertheless detected a lot of consternation among Clinton voters: Why isnt her position safer? Theres really about a 35 or 40 percent chance that Trump will become president?
Based on the polls, we think the model is setting those odds about right. The race is a long way from being a toss-up, but a 3 or 4 percentage point lead heading into the conventions isnt all that reliable, either. While Obama won twice with pre-convention leads of about that margin, John Kerry went into his convention with a lead of about 3 percentage points in 2004, but lost to George W. Bush. And in 2000, Bush had about a 4-point lead on the eve of the conventions, but lost the popular vote to Al Gore. (Bush won the Electoral College, of course.)
The flip side is that the recent polls could just as easily prove to be a low-water mark for Clinton. Conventions have oftentimes helped the incumbent partys candidate. One of the biggest turnarounds came in 1988, when Michael Dukakis, the upstart winner of the Democratic nomination, held a lead of 6 or 7 percentage points going into the conventions. But a well-staged Republican convention in New Orleans helped to unify the GOP and highlight the successes of George H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan, and Bush eventually won by a landslide.
Whats relatively safe to say is that well know a lot more in a month or so. Below, youll find a comparison of where national polls stood heading into the challenging partys convention, and then 30 days after the incumbent partys convention.1 (By tradition, the incumbent party Democrats this year holds their convention last.) The pre-convention polls missed the final margin in the race by an average of 6.4 percentage points. By contrast, the post-convention polls missed it by 4.0 points, a considerable improvement. And since 1972, theyve gone 11-for-11 in identifying the winner of the popular vote.
Continued on 538:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-clintons-lead-is-as-safe-as-kerrys-was-in-2004/
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Election Update: Clinton’s Lead Is As Safe As Kerry’s Was In 2004 - Nate Silver [View all]
RAFisher
Jul 2016
OP
Bush had to STEAL Ohio to stay in office. Rove and TeamKasich won't help Trump steal Ohio like
blm
Jul 2016
#1
Kerry did forcefully counter Swiftliars at a speech to Firefighters who endorsed him - Every 'news'
blm
Jul 2016
#9
It wasn't Kerry's own idea not to fight the smears...it was the former Dukakis people on his staff
Ken Burch
Jul 2016
#14
Ken - he DID counter and every network refused to carry that speech to Firefighters.
blm
Jul 2016
#15
That's just not accurate. You'd know better if you understood the role the corpmedia played and WHY.
blm
Jul 2016
#17
Kerry responded and countered - media ignored it. You CHOOSE to adopt corpmedia view.
blm
Jul 2016
#27
You are correct, and the reason for no bounce was the false terrorism threat announcement.
tonyt53
Jul 2016
#4
Baloney -JK took a few days to prepare for debate where he trounced Bush - BushInc had to steal Ohio
blm
Jul 2016
#8