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MADem

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15. I think she's using the word as shorthand for "old school USSR, only with BMWs and high fashion"
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 05:46 PM
Nov 2016

One big strongman, rubber-stamp legislature, no Pravda in Isvestia and no Isvestia in Pravda, that kind of thing. And he LOVED the KGB, Pootie did--that's where he got his "mindset" about the powerful Soviet Union with influence across a wide swathe of the globe. Same shit, but no food shortages and you can buy UGGs at the (more than one) department store(s). He's consolidating power like mad, and he does want to bring back the Old School Empire, under a "wise leader" (himself) who is both strong and charismatic.

Twitter does not lend itself to verbosity.

As for Assange, I think Putin has been paying his bills from the get-go. Funny how all those Russian docs somehow never got released, but never mind that, eh?

Same with Snowden--I think he's been on the Russki take for years. Personally, I believe Snowden was turned when he was working in Japan, and the deal was sealed when he vacationed in Hong Kong during that assignment. That's why he was able to find the Russian consulate in that rather obscure high rise so easily--he'd been there before.

I also think our intel services KNOW this, but they don't want to let us know they know, for reasons that are obvious to them but perhaps not so to the rest of us.

I don't think he's America's Kim Philby, either--I think he got in it for the money, and was caught out when they actually started looking at clearance renewals and found out that he lied-lied-lied with regard to his education (which is a massive crime--that and debt are real no-no's). He told them he'd get the documentation, that it must have been a mistake, and then he claimed to have epilepsy and needed to see a specialist....and then "POOF" ... he disappeared to HK. I do not believe he "tried" to blow any whistles, but I do think he took money from Pootie's boys to improve his lifestyle. He may have been making north of 120K a year, but only 80 of that was from US government coffers. IMO, anyway.

Joy Reid is not misinformed or unhinged. That's just not a valid assessment of her at all. She used poor shorthand, is all.

As for Sanders, he liked the old USSR, which was a bit weird. His kibbutz basically worshipped Joe Stalin, they sang the Internationale and hoisted the red flag. Weirder still, he claimed to have "forgotten" the name of the kibbutz when he remembered it easily a few years earlier when talking to an Israeli paper. Hmmmm. And he did go to USSR on an "exchange" as mayor of Burlington, and cheaply turned it into his honeymoon as well. He schlepped off to visit Daniel Ortega and went to Cuba, too, when most people weren't doing that. He touted it like it was a paradise rather than an improved shithole (it was up from awful, but that's about all you could say about it) and also opined that he thought waiting in line for food wasn't so bad, and that people had too many choices in US markets (remember the "deodorant" whine?). Some of his writings had that old school "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" vibe. So, I don't think she was off the mark on that at all. At this stage of the game, though, he can live like a high ranking Politburo member--he's got his dacha at the shore...not quite a "regular" guy. Like Nader. And wealthy suburbanite Stein (who also is has visited Putin's Russia and listened attentively to him while he spoke at some dinner).

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I disagree frazzled Nov 2016 #1
Well, I'm with you halfway DFW Nov 2016 #2
You're right on the money on this... Blanks Nov 2016 #5
she's been wrong about mostly everything nashville_brook Nov 2016 #3
why do you think that? She's Raven Nov 2016 #4
to hell with that heaven05 Nov 2016 #8
It could be that bad, but Joy Reid is a terrible analyst. DirkGently Nov 2016 #6
You might benefit from a perusal of this article. MADem Nov 2016 #11
Well, no. Poor Joy-Ann literally thinks there is still a Soviet Russia. DirkGently Nov 2016 #12
I think she's using the word as shorthand for "old school USSR, only with BMWs and high fashion" MADem Nov 2016 #15
Read the OP, lightweight dart toss guessing/projection, and your Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #31
She isn't daft at all BainsBane Nov 2016 #43
I stand by daft Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #46
screaming? BainsBane Nov 2016 #44
I agree heaven05 Nov 2016 #7
Bill Gross of Janus Capital had this to say the other day. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 2016 #9
Good perspective and analysis. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #10
The US was a shitshow at the end of Johnsons term, and Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #32
Democrats always move right after a loss. athena Nov 2016 #13
Democrats move LEFT after a conservative wrecks things. DirkGently Nov 2016 #14
LOL--most of the "Obama Scolds" here (most of whom have departed or been tossed over the side) MADem Nov 2016 #16
Obama was left of Hillary, and America chose him DirkGently Nov 2016 #17
Hillary's not terribly "right." She's a product of her times, and has a JFK attitude on defense. MADem Nov 2016 #18
She's right of Obama, and Obama WON. DirkGently Nov 2016 #19
I don't think so. I think she is left of him on social programs, particularly women/kids issues. MADem Nov 2016 #20
She signed off on Iraq and opposed DirkGently Nov 2016 #21
Her state is where three thousand people were murdered. MADem Nov 2016 #22
You seem angry. But Hillary is still right of Obama of course. DirkGently Nov 2016 #25
Oh, snap - Hillary did this? yallerdawg Nov 2016 #33
And you seem like you want to characterize me. Rather obviously, too. MADem Nov 2016 #35
I applaud your stamina. JTFrog Nov 2016 #34
I agree with that wholeheartedly. MADem Nov 2016 #36
It can't be that the institutionally-annointed candidate failed, eh? DirkGently Nov 2016 #40
Obama was not left of Hillary on economic issues JI7 Nov 2016 #38
So let's just let the conservatives wreck things. Brilliant. athena Nov 2016 #23
Wait. Who's "letting the conservatives wreck things?" DirkGently Nov 2016 #24
Attacking Hillary and letting Trump win was not the way to move the Democratic Party left. athena Nov 2016 #26
Uh? Now it was liberal Dems who defeated Hillary in the general election? DirkGently Nov 2016 #27
We did nominate the wrong person. athena Nov 2016 #29
Back up. You said, "Democrats always move right after a loss." DirkGently Nov 2016 #30
Bingo--well said. nt MADem Nov 2016 #39
He wasn't "the most liberal Senator in America" though--that was right wing framing. MADem Nov 2016 #37
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #41
Oh, please. It's obvious you've bought the smears. nt MADem Nov 2016 #45
Spot on peggysue2 Nov 2016 #28
We're already seeing signs on both sides of the isle BainsBane Nov 2016 #42
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