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athena

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26. Attacking Hillary and letting Trump win was not the way to move the Democratic Party left.

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 09:05 PM

Nov 2016

If you really think the Democratic Party will run a true liberal in 2020, you're dreaming. Read some history. Read the article that the OP linked. The Democratic Party will move to the right and abandon women and minorities until all hell breaks loose and there is a clear backlash against Trump and Pence. Don't count on that to happen in the next six years.

When Democrats lose, the Democratic Party concludes that it is too far to the left of the public. If you wanted a true liberal to run the presidency, you should have supported Hillary like your life depended on it. A Hillary win would have indicated to the Democratic Party that the public is becoming less conservative. Trump's win indicates to them that the public is still extremely conservative.

But I'm wasting time arguing with a Bernie supporter. Enjoy attacking and hating Hillary. That will make things so much better.

BTW, "teeny tiny" Jill Stein got more votes than Trump's margin in both Wisconsin and Michigan.

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A pessimistic prediction from Joy-Ann Reid. Read it anyway: she could well be right about everything [View all] DFW Nov 2016 OP

I disagree frazzled Nov 2016 #1

Well, I'm with you halfway DFW Nov 2016 #2

You're right on the money on this... Blanks Nov 2016 #5

she's been wrong about mostly everything nashville_brook Nov 2016 #3

why do you think that? She's Raven Nov 2016 #4

to hell with that heaven05 Nov 2016 #8

It could be that bad, but Joy Reid is a terrible analyst. DirkGently Nov 2016 #6

You might benefit from a perusal of this article. MADem Nov 2016 #11

Well, no. Poor Joy-Ann literally thinks there is still a Soviet Russia. DirkGently Nov 2016 #12

I think she's using the word as shorthand for "old school USSR, only with BMWs and high fashion" MADem Nov 2016 #15

Read the OP, lightweight dart toss guessing/projection, and your Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #31

She isn't daft at all BainsBane Nov 2016 #43

I stand by daft Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #46

screaming? BainsBane Nov 2016 #44

I agree heaven05 Nov 2016 #7

Bill Gross of Janus Capital had this to say the other day. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 2016 #9

Good perspective and analysis. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #10

The US was a shitshow at the end of Johnsons term, and Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #32

Democrats always move right after a loss. athena Nov 2016 #13

Democrats move LEFT after a conservative wrecks things. DirkGently Nov 2016 #14

LOL--most of the "Obama Scolds" here (most of whom have departed or been tossed over the side) MADem Nov 2016 #16

Obama was left of Hillary, and America chose him DirkGently Nov 2016 #17

Hillary's not terribly "right." She's a product of her times, and has a JFK attitude on defense. MADem Nov 2016 #18

She's right of Obama, and Obama WON. DirkGently Nov 2016 #19

I don't think so. I think she is left of him on social programs, particularly women/kids issues. MADem Nov 2016 #20

She signed off on Iraq and opposed DirkGently Nov 2016 #21

Her state is where three thousand people were murdered. MADem Nov 2016 #22

You seem angry. But Hillary is still right of Obama of course. DirkGently Nov 2016 #25

Oh, snap - Hillary did this? yallerdawg Nov 2016 #33

And you seem like you want to characterize me. Rather obviously, too. MADem Nov 2016 #35

I applaud your stamina. JTFrog Nov 2016 #34

I agree with that wholeheartedly. MADem Nov 2016 #36

It can't be that the institutionally-annointed candidate failed, eh? DirkGently Nov 2016 #40

Obama was not left of Hillary on economic issues JI7 Nov 2016 #38

So let's just let the conservatives wreck things. Brilliant. athena Nov 2016 #23

Wait. Who's "letting the conservatives wreck things?" DirkGently Nov 2016 #24

Attacking Hillary and letting Trump win was not the way to move the Democratic Party left. athena Nov 2016 #26

Uh? Now it was liberal Dems who defeated Hillary in the general election? DirkGently Nov 2016 #27

We did nominate the wrong person. athena Nov 2016 #29

Back up. You said, "Democrats always move right after a loss." DirkGently Nov 2016 #30

Bingo--well said. nt MADem Nov 2016 #39

He wasn't "the most liberal Senator in America" though--that was right wing framing. MADem Nov 2016 #37

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #41

Oh, please. It's obvious you've bought the smears. nt MADem Nov 2016 #45

Spot on peggysue2 Nov 2016 #28

We're already seeing signs on both sides of the isle BainsBane Nov 2016 #42