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leveymg

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5. I think we agree. The point is that Huxley got it right that people would be doped, distracted,
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 09:18 AM
Mar 2012

and mesmerized into a state of acceptance of tyranny by a small cabal of world leaders, and that western society would become a stratified, regulated system, largely because most people couldn't imagine an alternative. Orwell made largely the same point about how the point of totalitarian system is to make the imagination of alternatives impossible by the control of language and communications.

Even in 1984, most of the actual brutality was carried out in secret within the walls of the Ministry of Love, but the real violence to humanity was part of Smith's job as a propagandist/history eraser at the MOT. The image of a boot crashing down on a human face, over and over again, forever, is largely a secret reserved for the Thought Police torture chambers and the odd occasional drunken prole who gets unruly.

I think we've embraced both dysutopias, and effectively surpassed them in America and Britain in 2012. Our protests are just an impotent way of blowing off steam that is tolerated because it's closely monitored and maintains the fiction believed by most that regular people are still free to change the system. That's the ultimate tyranny Orwell tried to warn us - the belief that Slavery is Freedom.

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Aldous Huxley's Letter to George Orwell [View all] Ichingcarpenter Mar 2012 OP
++Orwell and Huxley were both right - the proles get the boot,the Outer Party have video and soma leveymg Mar 2012 #1
But hypnotism is demonstrable bunk longship Mar 2012 #2
The "hypnotic effect" of staring at moving images on video screens is real & demonstrated by science leveymg Mar 2012 #3
Okay, you're correct longship Mar 2012 #4
I think we agree. The point is that Huxley got it right that people would be doped, distracted, leveymg Mar 2012 #5
I am with you --- 100%. eom longship Mar 2012 #6
++ Good! - NT Newest Reality Mar 2012 #7
++ Thanks! leveymg Mar 2012 #8
I think that we're further away from BNW and 1984 than when they were written muriel_volestrangler Mar 2012 #14
Smart kings figured out long ago that tolerating (some) public display of dissent creates loyalty leveymg Mar 2012 #24
doubleplusgood The Stranger Mar 2012 #15
Check out, if you haven't, a BBC documentary series called "Century of the Self" deutsey Mar 2012 #22
correct IMO lunasun Mar 2012 #26
I don't know... UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #10
Hmmm longship Mar 2012 #11
I'm very cynical and not one to believe in woo of any kind. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #12
Please don't be cynical longship Mar 2012 #16
Here's one you'll like. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #19
Randi is the real deal longship Mar 2012 #20
He's great. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2012 #21
Even a well known skeptic as Richard Feynman usrname Mar 2012 #23
You would be surprised. zeemike Mar 2012 #27
Find a copy of Marat/Sade somewhere and watch it Recursion Mar 2012 #9
I think this is why psychotropic drugs are illegal such as LSD, Pot , Mescaline... etc Ichingcarpenter Mar 2012 #13
the onion boiled it down to humans looking at rectangles. pansypoo53219 Mar 2012 #17
The fnords! The fnords! I can see the fnords! malthaussen Mar 2012 #18
Dystopian sci-fi is a reaction to the author's own world. McCamy Taylor Mar 2012 #25
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