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GaryCnf

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64. First, let me apologize for the numbers

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:36 PM

Aug 2017

I got confused with another string about Joe Manchin (and even then my math was wrong, but that's another story).

Let's see if I can say something just a tad more responsive to your post.

It's one thing to say that 10% (that 4% was wrong, even in West Virginia, sorry again) of Trump supporters might accept Obamacare (though there is no proof and only rhetoric they wouldn't also accept single payer, I am still willing to accept that premise). It is another to say that they are potential Democratic Party votes, or, in other words, that they are votes which might swing an election.

Even if we don't ""scare them off" with "socialist" ideas like single payer, what issue is out there which will attract someone who voted for Trump in the first place to vote for any Democrat?

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The Bernie Bros and sisters are coming to Republicans' rescue [View all] SunSeeker Aug 2017 OP

Lets see if we are smart or not. 4now Aug 2017 #1

Yes, lets be smart Dems and not fall for purity tests. riversedge Aug 2017 #54

Yeah. shanny Aug 2017 #63

No. Actually this isn't like any of those things. lapucelle Aug 2017 #102

Kicked and Recommended NBachers Aug 2017 #2

K & R!!! NanceGreggs Aug 2017 #3

meh Lithos Aug 2017 #4

Hardly. zentrum Aug 2017 #5

Obamacare saved tens of thousands of lives, including my brother's. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #7

Well, sure... zentrum Aug 2017 #90

If it's just a matter of framing, why couldn't they do it in Vermont? SunSeeker Aug 2017 #91

Women may just not come so easily apcalc Aug 2017 #104

We should aspire fo health care like Germany GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #94

That would be great too. zentrum Aug 2017 #95

It is similar. apcalc Aug 2017 #107

Single payer supporters should get behind Rep. Conyers Medicare for All bill. lapucelle Aug 2017 #106

Is this the same Dana Milbank ornotna Aug 2017 #6

Milbank apparently votes a write-in for presidential elections. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #9

I disagree with the author and his "policy" ornotna Aug 2017 #12

Yup. KPN Aug 2017 #39

My thoughts exactly. Milbank likes to present as though he is objective, KPN Aug 2017 #38

It is. He's a conservative with all the deeply held convictions of a noodle Warpy Aug 2017 #56

The Berniebros may be trying murielm99 Aug 2017 #8

True. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #11

How have candidates backed by the DNC, the DCCC done over the past 8 years? KPN Aug 2017 #40

It is wrong to say I am spreading "false stuff." SunSeeker Aug 2017 #58

No but Milbanks does when he uses KPN Aug 2017 #76

This thread is about strategy. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #79

'Berniebros" malign the Democratic Party? Ghost Dog Aug 2017 #85

Thank you. KPN Aug 2017 #87

With all due respect, when the strategy KPN Aug 2017 #89

I Say NOTHING! Doug the Dem Aug 2017 #10

these people are trolls. they may use sanders name but their only goal is trolling and to help JI7 Aug 2017 #13

Don't believe that about Turner Vetteguy Aug 2017 #14

Ding! Ding! Ding! Nina Turner fronts for anyone willing to give her money. She lost her race for.. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #17

I agree with Dana. n/t Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #15

And despite your disclaimer at the bottom, this was just alerted on. GoneOffShore Aug 2017 #16

Thanks. We really need to decide on the best strategy to win the midterms. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #18

Someone alerted this? Vetteguy Aug 2017 #22

Actually, Pelosi and Hoyer are coming to the Republicans' rescue. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #19

They are Democrats while the others aren't Vetteguy Aug 2017 #23

The majority of the House DEMOCRATS are cosponsoring HR 676. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #37

The majority of House Dems have not signed on to a tax to pay for it. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #49

You're trying to dodge the basic point. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #51

No, I am not. The specifics of how to pay for single payer is VERY important. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #55

I note you didn't answer my question about the charge in your OP. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #59

Those 117 Dems are NOT demanding a single payer litmus test for all Dem midterm candidates. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #61

Our Revolution is perfectly free to decide whom to endorse. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #65

They don't just endorse, they trash the centrist Dem. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #70

More of this loaded language. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #71

It is one thing to argue the merits of a policy, it is another to say a Dem is bought by Wall Street SunSeeker Aug 2017 #72

It's not as clear as you seem to think Jim Lane Aug 2017 #75

Maligning and misrepresenting Dems as "Establishment Dems" is not the best strategy. nt SunSeeker Aug 2017 #80

But maligning and misrepresenting Dems as "Bernie Bros" IS the best strategy? Jim Lane Aug 2017 #81

"Establishment Dems" is a "useful term" only for Republicans. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #82

Fine, tell me what term you want. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #83

Dems. Why is it so important for you to label people? Regardless, this thread is about strategy. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #84

OK, so you're attacking "Bernie Bros" but insisting that everyone else must say only "Dems" Jim Lane Aug 2017 #86

I'm not attacking anyone, I'm questioning Our Revolution's single payer strategy. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #93

It is not a "bill for single payer." It is merely a "Pledge." SunSeeker Aug 2017 #29

The point is that there's division in the party about the subject. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #36

Good post! Thank you for taking the time to express such well-reasoned thinking on this. KPN Aug 2017 #41

You can't "leave the specifics to local candidates." SunSeeker Aug 2017 #53

Your call for Democratic lockstep is both impractical and unnecessary. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #60

It is Our Revolution who is demanding lockstep fealty on single payer. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #62

See my response in #65. (n/t) Jim Lane Aug 2017 #67

Well if you demand specifics, KPN Aug 2017 #73

It is easy to sell single payer. It is not easy to sell a tax on the middle class. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #74

Then let's work harder at selling the KPN Aug 2017 #77

Only REPUBLICANS "have given lip service to jobs for decades." SunSeeker Aug 2017 #78

Jim L might have a point if any of Bernie's handpicked candidates had actually won with his.... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #103

As opposed to the astonishing successes of the current Party leadership? Jim Lane Aug 2017 #108

Are you saying there haven't been any Democratic victories since the '16 election? If so.... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #109

Uh, no, I wasn't saying anything like that. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #111

I'm glad we agree that I was right. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #112

I really *hope* you're kidding. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #113

HR 676 does not set a tax to fund it. That is how Vermont single payer died. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #46

Just popping in to say how much I've enjoyed reading your posts in this thread. femmedem Aug 2017 #105

"insufficiently pure"? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #96

My point is the hypocrisy of decrying "divisiveness" but doing so *selectively* Jim Lane Aug 2017 #97

My point is that the hypocrisy was from the people doing all the dividing, and the outrage Ninsianna Aug 2017 #98

Sorry, but you're exhibiting the same double standard as the OP. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #99

But I am not, and I've explained the false equivalency you're trying to engage in here. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #100

You say "false equivalence" because you refuse to respect other Democrats' views Jim Lane Aug 2017 #110

Thanks for all that! LovesPNW Aug 2017 #101

get RID of the DC consultants and talk to humans. better deal??? how bout FAIR DEAL? pansypoo53219 Aug 2017 #20

I like that. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #21

Excellent! KPN Aug 2017 #42

Perhaps all of us Bernie Bros Indepatriot Aug 2017 #24

Interesting talking point very familiar. Vetteguy Aug 2017 #27

So universal healthcare is a litmus test but women's choice and freedom isn't? TeamPooka Aug 2017 #25

Medicare for All & Universal Healthcare are not the same thing delisen Aug 2017 #30

Straw man deflection debate point. Thanks for playing. TeamPooka Aug 2017 #45

So we're supposed to throw out logic? No thanks. delisen Aug 2017 #66

+1111! KPN Aug 2017 #43

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #26

This is a site for Democrats Vetteguy Aug 2017 #28

Dana Milbank nailed it. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #31

I will never surrender to the far Left extremists.......NEVER !!!!!!! Trust Buster Aug 2017 #32

Huh? What the heck does that mean? KPN Aug 2017 #44

I'm sorry GaryCnf Aug 2017 #33

There ARE Trump voters that support Obamacare. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #48

Rasmussen? GaryCnf Aug 2017 #50

Trump won by a total of 72,000 votes in three swing states. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #57

First, let me apologize for the numbers GaryCnf Aug 2017 #64

NO cuts to SS, Medicare, Medicare; raise taxes on the rich to pay for infrastructure jobs. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #68

You know something GaryCnf Aug 2017 #69

This is a powerful critique and well worth considering mcar Aug 2017 #34

Indeed.. I had the same reaction. nt SunSeeker Aug 2017 #47

K & R. JHan Aug 2017 #35

. LovesPNW Aug 2017 #52

Instead of posting this idiot diatribe to bobalew Aug 2017 #88

It is Our Revolution's single payer litmus test that is divisive. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #92

Great editorial Gothmog Aug 2017 #114

Do I have to repeat my post again? rock Aug 2017 #115