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Uncle Joe

(65,908 posts)
183. Thank you for asking ehrnst
Fri Jun 8, 2018, 05:13 AM
Jun 2018

Before describing my perception of what the status quo is today I need to begin with a little history to reflect how I believe we got to this point, so bear with me.

The basic underpinning of today's status quo is corporate and oligarchic supremacy.

We didn't out start that way as a nation when the Founders ratified the U.S. Constitution with the Preamble's first three words "We the People" they were thinking of living breathing individuals at least insofar as the highest ideal of that statement meant and that government was of the people.

Ronald Reagan would eventually flip that idealistic concept to "government is the problem."

Of course in 1788 "We the People's" government didn't live up to the highest ideals of that declaration insofar as true democracy, the plight of the slaves, women, Native Americans and poor white men were concerned but it was an aspiration to aim for even if many of 18th century Americans weren't ready for it in their day.

Love him or hate him Andrew Jackson our Seventh President and first elected by the common man had major influence for decades after his terms ended that being the Jacksonian Era lasting up until the Civil War. He ran his campaigns against D.C. corruption as an outsider, he defied the Supreme Court as President, sent the Cherokee on the tragic Trail of Tears, the only President to pay off the national debt, prevented South Carolina from seceding, fought duels and was looked down on by the elite.

Jackson was a man of extremes did good stuff and evil shit but that's who Trump models himself after in his behavior and statements, there are some cosmic similarities as well being played out but to be sure also some chasmic differences.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson

I brought up Andy Jackson because A. Trump is trying to play that role, that's his model and B. the corporate media conglomerates along with many of today's elites and even Trump's opponents are either consciously or subconsciously elevating Trump to that kind of emotional impact among his supporters.

I will explain more about that with my summation.

I believe the birth of of modern day corporate supremacy began in 1886 when the incident below occurred basically taking the Fourteenth Amendment of 1868 protecting all individual rights and due process turning on its' head and setting the underpinnings for corporate person hood even though the court never ruled on that Constitutional question.

That which was to protect all Americans no matter their color or gender was subtly but eventually used as a tool to create an ever growing feudal system of government.



(snip)

The headnote, which is "not the work of the Court, but are simply the work of the Reporter, giving his understanding of the decision, prepared for the convenience of the profession",[3] was written by the court reporter, former president of the Newburgh and New York Railway Company J.C. Bancroft Davis. He said the following:

One of the points made and discussed at length in the brief of counsel for defendants in error was that 'corporations are persons within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.' Before argument, Mr. Chief Justice Waite said: The court does not wish to hear argument on the question whether the provision in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which forbids a State to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws, applies to these corporations. We are all of the opinion that it does.[4]

So the headnote was a reporting by the Court Reporter of the Chief Justice's interpretation of the Justices' opinions. But the issue of applicability of "Equal Protection to any persons" to the railroads was not addressed in the decision of the Court in the case.

(snip)

Why did the chief justice issue his dictum? Why did he leave it up to Davis to include it in the headnotes? After Waite told him that the Court 'avoided' the issue of corporate personhood, why did Davis include it? Why, indeed, did he begin his headnote with it? The opinion made plain that the Court did not decide the corporate personality issue and the subsidiary equal protection issue.[7]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County_v._Southern_Pacific_Railroad_Co.



This led to the Gilded Age and Robber Barons.

Another outcome was establishment of a U.S. empire way beyond our shores with the Spanish American War waged by a Republican President and instigated via the use of "Yellow Journalism" propaganda and our sugar industry's lobbying efforts. We took over Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Philippines; on the other side of the planet. Ironically the land of the free which was against being ruled by kings was okay with owning an empire. We claimed to be fighting for Democracy but Smedley Butler for one would in time come to realize it was all a "racket."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

Of course many of those same dynamics would play out again 105 years later in the war with Iraq but it was about oil not sugar.

In today's status quo Teddy Roosevelt; in trying to bust up the trusts or monopolies would be castigated by the elite as he was in his day, Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal is under constant attack by the Reich Wing Republicans, weakly if at all defended by the corporate media conglomerates and FDR's "Second Bill of Rights" would in today's world have him branded as a Communist.



In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and renumerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
The right of every family to a decent home;
The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens. For unless there is security here at home there cannot be lasting peace in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights



Joseph McCarthy's true witch hunts during the Red Scare years against Communists, perceived Communists or people he just disagreed with while eventually leading to his ruin did have a lasting impact in regards to the American Peoples' ambivalence about the First Amendment, faith in themselves and overall trust in our form of government. Basically the people didn't believe in checks and balances anymore at least not on a subconscious level, we were too scared and FDR's warning "We have noting to fear but fear itself" withered on the vine.

Of course Trump has connections to Joseph McCarthy as well.



Thirty years later, on the day after Donald J. Trump was elected president, Roger Stone was one of the callers who got through to his old friend at Trump Tower. “Mr. President,” said Stone. “Oh please, call me Donald,” Stone remembered Trump saying.

A few moments later, Trump sounded wistful. “Wouldn’t Roy love to see this moment? Boy, do we miss him.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/06/donald-trump-roy-cohn-relationship



Nixon's began the so called war on drugs in large part for cynical political purposes against blacks and Hippies; groups most opposed to the war in Vietnam. He ignored his own hand picked commission's recommendations in regards to decriminalizing Marijuana and treating drug addiction medical issue versus a criminal one. Reagan of course would take this to a whole new level along with doing his best at weakening unions.

As the prison population began to explode from the "war on drugs" most of them non-violent offenders creating millions of disenfranchised Americans labeled as felons that could no longer vote and finding it much more difficult to obtain meaningful employment combined with the peaking Baby Boomer generation (most crimes are committed by younger people) crime of all kinds escalated.

As progressive social economic policies were all but ignored at least since the days of Nixon and the safety net was slowly chipped away along with the illusory bubble of credit card usage and dual income earners becoming an increased necessity the middle class started falling behind, becoming under increased stress which of course was magnified by hate radio and FOX "News"

After the drubbings of McGovern and Carter the Democratic Party; took a step away from actual democracy and would again forget FDR's warning "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." They would establish the Hunt Commission and the creation of Super-delegates; with the equivalent of over 10,000 votes each removing power from the grass roots and transferring it to the elite of the party. The super-delegates could vote however they wished regardless of how their state voted. Mondale still loses in a landslide and H.W. Bush wins in 88. The Democratic Party moves further to the right, they were going to be tough on crime and the era of big government was over just when it was needed most.

With the advent of television in the 40s and 50s we only had 3 major commercial networks but radio and print journalism were more diversified, and much less conglomerated in their ownership.

We had rules against too much conglomeration of the "fourth estate" so as to give increased competition of opinion and information, to actually maintain a more free press.

As cable T.V. came about, the Fairness Doctrine being repealed under Reagan giving rise to hate radio and FOX "News" propaganda inflaming the people using fault line identity politics with the ever more conglomerating corporate media; via the Telecommunications Act of 1996 while meekly accepting the mythic label of being the "liberal media" as if in mega-corporate board rooms (authoritarian by their very nature) and having inherent economic conflicts of interests which are never mentioned on T.V. could/would ever actually champion or even just consistently keep progressive policies and critical issues affecting the vast majority of the American People at the forefront for debate is a stretch beyond imagination.

The corporate media conglomerates particularly T.V. have no issues with calling Russian billionaires oligarchs but have two blind eyes when it comes to labeling great American economic disparity and the 1% controlling over 40% of the nation's wealth.

By turning Presidential elections into personality contests or reality T.V. versus having sustained in-depth coverage of the critical issues affecting hundreds of millions of Americans, not to mention the world at large as global warming climate change, it's no wonder we got Trump occupying the White House.

But more than that as the corporate media conglomerates subjugate presenting quality information on a consistent basis to the people as a whole in deference to what makes them, their major commercial purchasers and shareholders the most bucks have eroded much their own credibility making it far easier for the likes of Trump to come in power and stay in power.



(snip)

Importance of News Media in Accomplishing Democratic Goals
How important is the role of the news media in accomplishing each of the following goals?
Critical Very important Somewhat important Not that important
%
%
%
%
Making sure Americans have the knowledge they need to be informed about public affairs 54 34 7 2
Holding leaders in politics, business and other institutions accountable for their actions 50 33 11 3
Providing objective news reports 47 38 10 2
Making residents feel connected to the U.S. as a whole 38 41 15 3
Making residents feel connected to their community 30 45 19 4
Aug. 4-Oct. 2, 2017
KNIGHT-GALLUP SURVEY ON TRUST, MEDIA AND DEMOCRACY

At the same time, U.S. adults do not believe the media are playing any of these roles particularly well, with little distinction in the ratings of the various tasks. Roughly three in 10 say the media are performing each task well, while about four in 10 say poorly. Americans are somewhat less critical in their evaluations of the job the media is doing in making residents feel connected to their community, for which 28% say the media are doing well and 29% poorly.

Ratings of How News Media Performs in Accomplishing Key Democratic Goals
Very well/Well Acceptably Very poorly/Poorly Net ("well" minus "poorly" )
%
%
%
pct. pts.
Making sure Americans have the knowledge they need to be informed about public affairs 30 29 38 -8
Holding leaders in politics, business and other institutions accountable for their actions 30 26 42 -12
Providing objective news reports 30 26 40 -10
Making residents feel connected to their community 28 40 29 -1
Making residents feel connected to the U.S. as a whole 27 32 38 -11
Aug. 4-Oct. 2, 2017
KNIGHT-GALLUP SURVEY ON TRUST, MEDIA AND DEMOCRACY

(snip)


http://news.gallup.com/poll/225470/media-seen-key-democracy-not-supporting.aspx



So all the hyping by the media about Trump's tweets only endears him to his base; which view the corporate media conglomerates as either liberal or elite, so that's the Andy Jackson effect and why I believe his poll numbers have been edging up from abysmal to just piss poor.

Running for elections, particularly major races is expensive so

Today's status quo is this, big money owns the Republican Party, dominates the Democratic Party and has greatly warped the corporate media conglomerates ability to lift and enlighten the American People, as a result we're the only advanced nation in the world that doesn't treat healthcare as a right, we have the largest prison population in the world with a 21st century version of slavery in the immoral for profit prison industry, our infrastructure is crumbling, we spend more on the military than the next seven nations combined to maintain our empire, our young people; face the very real prospects of having a lower standard of living than their parents from being saddled with oppressive education debt and that doesn't take into account the growing catastrophe of global warming climate change which they will mostly have to live with.

The media and political parties are most adept at playing identity or fault line politics, Democrat, Republican, men, women, black, white, Latino, old, young, gay, straight, religious, non-religious, North, South, etc. etc. etc. all that being division of course, they have it down to a science.

What they're not good at is consistently addressing and debating the critical substantive issues affecting all of the American People as a whole, what's best for the nation.

The status quo in short is the elevation of predatory capitalism over democracy in our national psyche.



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Turner is poison, and no friend of the Democratic Party. We've seen OnDoutside Jun 2018 #1
What some see as hate others see as intervention Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #2
Shirley Chisholm said that as a member of the Democratic Party, not someone outside... George II Jun 2018 #8
Regardless, whether working from the inside or out for their cause they share something else Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #29
Not "regardless", look at what Shirley Chisholm accomplished in her political career, both locally.. George II Jun 2018 #32
Everything is relative, Nina Turner is still an ongoing force and the analogy Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #35
Yes, everything is relative. Shirley Chisholm achieved what she did in the 1960s and 1970s. George II Jun 2018 #38
And Nina Turner is fighting the good fight during the age of Trump and increased corporate supremacy Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #39
No she isn't in my opinion. What has she done or said about Trump and Republicans? Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #201
She is? sheshe2 Aug 2018 #223
Nina Turner burned her bridges and I saw a recent interview with her and see no Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #200
Attacking the Democratic Party is not a positive for unity. The USA has the greatest ever threat to OnDoutside Jun 2018 #25
One person's attack is another person's constructive criticism. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #45
In this case, the "another person" is Donald Trump. OnDoutside Jun 2018 #63
If you can't differentiate between the two, then God help you. Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #178
No. They are two wholly separate concepts. LanternWaste Jun 2018 #182
They are separate concepts but perception can and does play a major role in Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #212
No, she has personality problems. People who CAN Hortensis Jun 2018 #144
FDR's ( The most successful Democrat and one of our greatest Presidents) Second Bill of Rights Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #146
No, we did NOT, but which would be the greater insult? Hortensis Jun 2018 #147
It's good that you would bring up Stacey Abrams to help make my point again. What do Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #149
Pissing on Obama and the Clintons isn't creative or independent Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #173
OR is a hate group. murielm99 Jun 2018 #3
Do you mean like this guy? Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #4
Have you seen what Our Revolution has done to DEMOCRATIC candidates that they didn't support? George II Jun 2018 #11
I have. That group does more harm than good. It's not a fucking "intervention"... GMAFB! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #15
Sad that they attack DEMOCRATIC opponents on the basis of their race! George II Jun 2018 #17
Yes, and undoubtedly Skidmore Jun 2018 #23
"I believe that the Democratic Party is worth fighting for" guess who said that in response Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #36
Actions speak louder Skidmore Jun 2018 #69
Of course you do Skidmore as does everyone else. Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #71
RIGHT NOW on a liberal talk show youtube chat OR is being spoken of in glowing terms Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #28
I believe it to be just the opposite as the Democratic Party moves to the left, we Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #46
Has any OR candidates won anything yet? Gothmog Jun 2018 #5
Did you not read the OP? Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #6
You consider this success? Gothmog Jun 2018 #7
Everything is relative, if the Abolitionist or Suffragist Movements had been given two years Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #10
Bernie's army in disarray Gothmog Jun 2018 #12
I have read it but I disagree with it Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #19
Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Jun 2018 #20
By definition OR cant be successful unless Democrats are unseated. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #31
By definition Democrats can't be successful during any primary without unseating other Democrats. Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #42
They could run for Republican seats and not Democratic seats...which make no difference in the Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #202
I get tired of this real Democrat stuff JonLP24 Aug 2018 #229
Ha!! :-D Comparing "OR" with Abolitionists and Suffragists?? NurseJackie Jun 2018 #18
I was amused also Gothmog Jun 2018 #21
I am exhausted, figthing KGB, GOP and you know who...too much Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #44
If you read history Abolitionists and Suffragists were laughed at and ridiculed as well. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #48
Oh, yes! That TOTALLY makes Our Revolution *just like* Abolitionists and Suffragists! :-D NurseJackie Jun 2018 #49
The commonality is fighting the good fight when it was't popular with the powers that be. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #51
Oh, yes! That TOTALLY makes Our Revolution *just like* Abolitionists and Suffragists! :-D NurseJackie Jun 2018 #53
I never said they were the same, even the Abolitionist and Suffragists movements weren't "the same" Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #58
Oh, bull! Your meaning was clear! Stop splitting hairs! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #66
Wrong again, this was my original post on this subject to which you responded Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #70
Your meaning was clear. The flattery being heaped onto "Our Revolution" is totally undeserved... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #74
Well then we are making progress, you do acknowledge it's a free country Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #75
Oh, good Lord. GMAFB! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #79
This is a waste of time, enjoy your "real world" Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #83
Why is this kind of nonsense allowed here? WIProgressive88 Jun 2018 #120
Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #126
And slavery did not end until the start of WWII sheshe2 Jun 2018 #80
If you want to get technical sheshe, slavery still exists to this day but as an institution Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #85
Well of course it is still going on...different name different game. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #93
I didn't see a link to any article regarding to what you're referring to? n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #96
I read the book. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #102
I knew about Jim Crow but thanks for the links sheshe. Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #103
I stated that above, it still exists. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #108
I will check the book out. Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #110
Fighting the powers that be is the only commonality that OR has with them...(nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #134
But they hired a Trumper so they don't really fight the powers that be... Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #204
True this. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #207
They hired a Trumper who agrees with Trump on immigration. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #203
You must be furious with the DNC/DCCC for losing over 1000 seats over the last 8 years! Indepatriot Jun 2018 #115
So, gerrymandering and voter suppression had nothing to do with it... ehrnst Jun 2018 #131
bwahahahahaha!!!! George II Jun 2018 #143
I am furious with the purity types who failed to show up at midterms and got us GOP run states, Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #205
Here are some more findings from the Politico article Gothmog Jun 2018 #13
As is the case with most every startup, it does have growing pains but yes I believe it's a success Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #24
"...startup..." Ha! NurseJackie Jun 2018 #90
Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #130
OR has not won any significant victories and is a joke Gothmog Jun 2018 #138
They will claim victory for a candidate that was up 10 points in a safe Democratic race. ehrnst Jun 2018 #139
I seriously doubt that this organization will be around long Gothmog Jun 2018 #140
I know Bankston. If he says its BS, its BS. elehhhhna Jun 2018 #155
Speaking of good reads, here's one as well (CM is the interviewer): George II Jun 2018 #9
That brings me to a D.U. poll which I posted here on May 29th as to priorities and an MLK Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #14
Has sanders ever accomplished anything in the real world? Gothmog Jun 2018 #16
Well apparently the American People disagree with your assessment as to Bernie's worth or value Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #22
Oh God, THAT poll again!! Have you read the methodology of that (9 month old) poll? George II Jun 2018 #30
That poll is not an island in the ocean, Bernie's poll rankings have him consistently ranked Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #33
... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #41
... Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #43
I had a bet with a UK bookie that this poll would show up here sooner or later... George II Jun 2018 #61
My town (Hempstead, NY) has more people in it and is mor diverse. N/T lapucelle Jun 2018 #136
So you are admitting that sanders has no legislative accomplishments Gothmog Jun 2018 #54
I believe you misread your own post, it has Bernie in second place not third. As for Bernie's record Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #78
Thank you for the laughs Gothmog Jun 2018 #84
It's too bad they didn't take Bernie seriously when he argued against going to war with Iraq, Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #87
Again, you keep leaving off all of the post offices that sanders has named Gothmog Jun 2018 #95
And you're leaving off about the disastrous decision to wage a war with Iraq for no good reason. Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #109
And yet he voted to fund the war each and every time it came up. George II Jun 2018 #116
Seems to me that voting against the war and then voting to fund it is ... betsuni Jun 2018 #123
Old news...and as an independent from a small state, he didn't have to worry about getting Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #206
Funny that this editorial fails to point out the 2nd and 3rd most "popular" politicians. OilemFirchen Jun 2018 #76
About that poll sheshe2 Jun 2018 #91
Go by Gothmog's poll then on post 54, it has Bernie in second place behind former Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #94
That data is old. BS has not appeared on the most popular list since January. lapucelle Jun 2018 #124
NT: I don't think it is our job nor our obligation to fit in. It's their job to fit in with us. OnDoutside Jun 2018 #62
smh samnsara Jun 2018 #26
Turner is a divisive figure and no leader still_one Jun 2018 #27
Exactly right! She's in-it for herself and nobody else. Vanity-based showboating... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #40
Bingo. (NT) ehrnst Jun 2018 #135
Thank you Uncle Joe! MuseRider Jun 2018 #34
Precisely MuseRider, a forest doesn't grow overnight. Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #37
Slash-and-burn is not the way to "grow a forest"... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #47
Actually fire is natural and essential to a healthy forest Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #50
Ha!! :-D That's not what "slash and burn" means NurseJackie Jun 2018 #52
That's funny the thing about perception because by your posts on this thread, I thought Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #59
Uh-huh. Yes. Of course you did. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #67
Didn't he get in trouble masturbating in a porno movie theater? Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #81
Don't know. Don't care. Irrelevant. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #86
There was "no subject" Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #88
Then why did you try to change it? NurseJackie Jun 2018 #92
OMG sheshe2 Aug 2018 #224
You're responding to a post I made on June 4th and acting as if I just posted this? Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #226
LOL Gothmog Jun 2018 #163
These people literally exhumed Zombie Dennis Kucinich and ran him in a race Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #179
Every Time I See Trump's Ugly Face, I See .... DoctorJoJo Jun 2018 #55
Agreed Gothmog Jun 2018 #57
Yes, and every time I read those names I Cha Jun 2018 #141
Where Is The Bernie Revolution? Gothmog Jun 2018 #56
What really happened Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #60
I was a delegate to the national convention Gothmog Jun 2018 #68
OPINION: Mississippi Women's Activist - Bernie Sanders Can't Come to the Cookout Gothmog Jun 2018 #98
Well that's the wonderful thing about America everyone is entitled to their opinion Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #101
And yet Sanders delegates attacked a true hero, John Lewis Gothmog Jun 2018 #105
Bernie may or may not run and Our Revolution may or may succeed but it's too early to tell on either Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #111
Our Revolution is not a serious movement in the real world Gothmog Jun 2018 #128
Nobody claimed otherwise. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #106
Is this some sort of bad joke? comradebillyboy Jun 2018 #64
No it's an article about Nina Turner and Our Revolution Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #72
TRANSLATION: Yes. It's a joke. A bad joke. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #97
I thought you might like this video NurseJackie Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #99
You thought wrong. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #100
It was about nurses and stuff so I thought you might like it Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #104
You thought wrong. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #107
This makes me smile Gothmog Jun 2018 #164
Nina 'I Could Vote For Republicans' Turner? Me. Jun 2018 #65
Nina Turner "I believe the Democratic Party is worth fighting for Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #73
Past Lives Don't Count Me. Jun 2018 #77
Via "Our Revolution?" ehrnst Jun 2018 #137
Uncle Joe Kurt V. Jun 2018 #82
Thank you for the kind words Kurt V Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #89
Appreciate the article, UJ. Keep the faith; we all face common challenge now. appalachiablue Jun 2018 #112
I will in regards to the former and I agree with you on the latter Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #113
Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #114
It was those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for the Democratic nominee that helped still_one Jun 2018 #117
Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #118
What "myriad of mistakes"? betsuni Jun 2018 #121
Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #119
No it's not. OilemFirchen Jun 2018 #122
Kick ck4829 Jun 2018 #125
Bernie Sanders' Revolution Isn't Carrying His Candidates Through The Midterms Gothmog Jun 2018 #127
Stacey Abrams was booed by the "progressive left" at the Dem Convention ehrnst Jun 2018 #129
A logical fallacy Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #132
What part of my statement was fallacious or illogical? ehrnst Jun 2018 #133
The fact that some progressives were upset with John has nothing to do with Nina's support of Stacy Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #145
I don't consider anyone who boos any mention of John Lewis to be "progressive." ehrnst Jun 2018 #148
I supplied the record reflecting Nina's endorsement and pleas for supporting Stacy Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #150
You seemed to be confused as to what I said. ehrnst Jun 2018 #156
Your're correct about one thing, Stacey is a good candidate Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #158
So Bernie and OR are responsible for "making a more friendly atmosphere" for Abrams. ehrnst Jun 2018 #165
You didn't, Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #169
Sanders had no effect on the Georgia race Gothmog Jun 2018 #170
Would you define for me what you mean by "status quo?" ehrnst Jun 2018 #171
Thank you for asking ehrnst Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #183
Thank you for your explanation. ehrnst Jun 2018 #184
Social justice has taken two steps forward and one step back, at best Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #185
So, because there are backlashes against social justice progress ehrnst Jun 2018 #186
There has been progress made particularly as of late Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #187
Medicare for All IS about health care coverage..... ehrnst Jun 2018 #188
The major difference in Medicare for all and for profit private "health" insurance coverage Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #189
So you agree - Medicare For All is about health care coverage. ehrnst Jun 2018 #190
No when you remove the profit motive from deciding who lives and who dies, it's about health care Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #191
You mean "institutionalized" in the way that right wingers mean abortion ehrnst Jun 2018 #192
Private for profit health insurance corporations have NOTHING to do with health care, Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #193
They have as much to do with healthcare as the government does with Medicare. ehrnst Jun 2018 #194
No, because the U.S. government isn't or at least shouldn't be in the business of making profit Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #195
Slurs? What drama. ehrnst Jun 2018 #196
.. Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #197
... ehrnst Jun 2018 #198
Oh sure, NOW they need her. Wwcd Jun 2018 #154
Last night was fun Gothmog Jun 2018 #166
Yes, Hillary invited Stacy Abrams to speak at the DNC Cha Jun 2018 #142
I thought you meant greymattermom Jun 2018 #151
I believe Stacey Abrams to be a progressive leader as well but it was the Root's title and Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #153
Progressive & Democratic are two closely woven beliefs of one political party Wwcd Jun 2018 #157
It's good that you would bring up Paul Wellstone to help make my point but i agree with you Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #159
Thanks for making my point. Reminds me of another group who Wwcd Jun 2018 #160
"Wellstone and the War" Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #168
No, Stacy Abrams RandySF Jun 2018 #152
Yes, RandySF, you are correct. Stacy Abrams is the Real Voice of the Democratic Progressive Party Wwcd Jun 2018 #161
Our Revolution is not doing well Gothmog Jun 2018 #162
Analysis: How did Bernie Sanders Democrats do in the primaries? Gothmog Jun 2018 #167
Nina Fucking Turner? You trying to wind me up? Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #172
*Groan* You're really going to make me do this, aren't you?? Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #174
Believe me Uncle Joe, this is not a horse you want to back... Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #175
not a nina fan for sure. shes only leading herself. samnsara Jun 2018 #176
Two years ago, the "Progressive Revolution" among pundits was being led by Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #177
Why is the punditsphere so eager to coronate Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #180
K&R... disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #181
I despise Nina Turner...and I wouldn't have anything to do with anything she is involved in. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #199
Luckily, this organization is falling apart in part due to Nina Turner Gothmog Jun 2018 #209
It is a bad organization...and I agree with everything you said. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #210
Economist--Berned out Gothmog Jun 2018 #208
Did Our Revolution endorsed any candidates for tonight's primaries Gothmog Jun 2018 #211
Our Revolution had wins in last week's primaries. They aren't batting as bad as you want to pretend JCanete Aug 2018 #228
LOL Gothmog Aug 2018 #230
So you are making a distinction about where Our Revolution has been succesful or a failure, not JCanete Aug 2018 #231
I am so glad that Emily's list is beating Our Revolution and beating it badly Gothmog Aug 2018 #232
Some more smiles Gothmog Aug 2018 #233
Looks like the revolution didn't do too well in Hawaii, despite sending AOC. Gothmog Aug 2018 #234
Bernie and his army are losing 2018 Gothmog Aug 2018 #213
LOL! Perhaps you were just enthralled by the head line and didn't read the entire article? Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #214
LOL Gothmog Aug 2018 #215
I missed this earlier, but I see upthread brer cat Aug 2018 #219
He tagged her a few days before she won? sheshe2 Aug 2018 #222
This makes me smile Gothmog Aug 2018 #220
The first time I ran in a marathon (NYC in 1976) I had to drop out after ten miles. George II Aug 2018 #221
Democratic Party's liberal insurgency hits a wall in Midwest primaries Gothmog Aug 2018 #216
Hell yes! sheshe2 Aug 2018 #217
Down Goes Socialism Gothmog Aug 2018 #218
Read sheshe2 Aug 2018 #225
The Far Left Is Losing Gothmog Aug 2018 #227
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