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kristopher

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12. The "Seatwirl" has a very, very limited future as a device to harvest wind.
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 11:54 PM
Apr 2012

Their website has no technical information so its storage capabilities cant be evaluated, so it may have some potential to store energy from horizontal axis wind turbines, but its vertical axis design means it is dead in the water as a device to harvest wind.

The problem is related to both 1) how high you can lift the blades into the airstream and 2) how large of an area the blades can harvest energy from. The altitude is critical because the force is a cube of the wind speed and even a hundred feet higher makes a big difference in total yearly output. The area is also important because you can go much, much larger with a HAWT than with a VAWT.

1) The power output of a wind generator is proportional to the area swept by the rotor - i.e. double the swept area and the power output will also double.
2) The power output of a wind generator is proportional to the cube of the wind speed - i.e. double the wind speed and the power output will increase by a factor of eight (2 x 2 x 2)!
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Power = 0.5 x Swept Area x Air Density x Velocity^3

http://www.reuk.co.uk/Calculation-of-Wind-Power.htm

The barges are a practical way of moving offshore wind into deep water where the big challenge is anchoring. The ocean bottom drops off dramatically there and it is extremely rocky. They have very little near shore shallow water like the East Coast of the US.

One of the best renewable resources is geothermal. Iceland, another very volcanic mountainous island, gets 81% of its energy from geothermal and hydro.

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Japan has lots of wind. You'd think they would have gone that way a long time ago. MADem Apr 2012 #1
Japan, unlike the United States cares about their land and resources. RC Apr 2012 #2
You don't need to line every horizon to get a lot of energy out of them. And I think they are MADem Apr 2012 #3
I can think of 54 good locations for wind RobertEarl Apr 2012 #4
I added an article above about Japanese "floating" windmills, positioned on barges. MADem Apr 2012 #5
They'll make lemonade from their lemon RobertEarl Apr 2012 #6
I think America is getting the spirit. My glass is half full. MADem Apr 2012 #9
Why use barges when the turbine can use the water as a bearing? Fumesucker Apr 2012 #7
You'd have to ask them. Maybe they want to be able to tow them to where the wind is at different MADem Apr 2012 #8
At one time I built Really Big Stuff In the Water for a living.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #10
Those Japanese are clever when it comes to engineering, though--I think they must have a "Big Idea" MADem Apr 2012 #11
Jackup rigs were one thing we built among other oil production equipment.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #14
This is one of the concepts in testing now. kristopher Apr 2012 #17
The "Seatwirl" has a very, very limited future as a device to harvest wind. kristopher Apr 2012 #12
In that case then there are a number of flying wind generators that get the blades up nice and high. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #13
I've always been fascinated with high altitude wind kristopher Apr 2012 #16
The altitude doesn't even have to be that high.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #18
Tell that to the people around the nuke plant that failed n2doc Apr 2012 #15
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