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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
21. Defund is close enough
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 08:19 AM
Dec 2020

Reducing police budgets to spend the money on social services.

I have been following police issues closely for a long time. I read the entire FBI report on the Baltimore Police Department. To sum it up a lot of stop and frisk, when a police officer complained about a co worker using a racial slur the officer who complained was punished professionally, they did a poor job of investigating sex crimes. This was back when Obama DOJ did civil rights investigations of problematic police departments which is a policy I hope Biden-Harris brings back .

Found a summary

The Justice Department announced today that it found reasonable cause to believe that the Baltimore City Police Department (BPD) engages in a pattern or practice of conduct that violates the First and Fourth Amendments of the Constitution as well as federal anti-discrimination laws. BPD makes stops, searches and arrests without the required justification; uses enforcement strategies that unlawfully subject African Americans to disproportionate rates of stops, searches and arrests; uses excessive force; and retaliates against individuals for their constitutionally-protected expression. The pattern or practice results from systemic deficiencies that have persisted within BPD for many years and has exacerbated community distrust of the police, particularly in the African-American community. The city and the department have also entered into an agreement in principle to work together, with community input, to create a federal court-enforceable consent decree addressing the deficiencies found during the investigation.

“Public trust is critical to effective policing and public safety,” said Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch. “Our investigation found that Baltimore is a city where the bonds of trust have been broken, and that the Baltimore Police Department engaged in a pattern or practice of unlawful and unconstitutional conduct, ranging from the use of excessive force to unjustified stops, seizures and arrests. The results of our investigation raise serious concerns, and in the days ahead, the Department of Justice will continue working tirelessly to ensure that all Baltimoreans enjoy the safety, security and dignity they expect and deserve. I am grateful to all of the community members, local officials, faith leaders and current and former police officers who spoke with us during the course of our inquiry, and whose input will remain critical to our efforts as we move forward. Additionally, I commend the city and BPD for its proactive and collaborative approach to our inquiry and for demonstrating a strong commitment to restoring public confidence by already taking steps to make needed changes. I look forward to continuing our work together to implement urgent and necessary reforms.”

“We found that BPD has engaged in a pattern or practice of serious violations of the U.S. Constitution and federal law that has disproportionately harmed Baltimore’s African-American community and eroded the public’s trust in the police,” said Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Vanita Gupta, head of the Civil Rights Division. “The agency also fails to provide officers with the guidance, oversight and resources they need to police safely, constitutionally and effectively. In communities across America, even in communities where trust has been broken, we’ve seen transformative reform rebuild relationships and advance public safety. In the weeks ahead, as we negotiate our consent decree with the city, we will seek input from law enforcement and community members. With the city and commissioner’s commitment to reform, I am optimistic that we will work to drive that same progress in Baltimore.”

In May 2015, Attorney General Lynch announced the comprehensive investigation into the BPD after considering requests from city officials and hearing directly from community members about a potential pattern or practice of constitutional violations. The investigation focused on BPD’s use of force, including deadly force; stops, searches and arrests; and discriminatory policing.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-findings-investigation-baltimore-police-department

I can't summarize everything I learned in the past 10 years or so but I do know it is a good policy that addresses many problems.

There is also an Abolish the Police movement

Beyond Breonna: Louisville Police Make the Case for Abolition

Pushed to the background, meanwhile, is the unending flood of reports and revelations that again and again show policing to be an institution worthy of abolition. Just this month, two such stories came from Louisville, Kentucky, where 26-year-old Breonna Taylor was killed by police in March during a botched raid. Louisville Metro Police, the same department to which Taylor’s killers belonged, was found to have hidden from the public a staggering 738,000 records documenting sexual abuse of minors by two officers — concealment that was aided by the Jefferson County Attorney’s Office. The records related to the abuse of youths in the “Explorer Scouts” program, created for young people interested in law enforcement careers.

And just two weeks ago, a woman filed a sexual assault lawsuit against former Louisville detective Brett Hankison, one of the cops directly involved in Taylor’s death. The lawsuit claims that Hankison has a history of using his authority as a police officer to prey on women.

The wanton killing of a young Black woman involving a cop with an alleged history of predation, alongside the coverup of a major case of child sexual abuse — all recent events from just one department in one U.S. city. As is typical, funding for the policing operations will constitute the largest expenditure of Louisville’s 2020 city budget: $190.6 million out of $613 million.

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Yet the Louisville cases highlight the problems of a violent and unaccountable law enforcement apparatus; problems which are so widespread and historic that they point to an unreformable institution. As abolitionist organizer Mariame Kaba put it, “When you see a police officer pressing his knee into a black man’s neck until he dies, that’s the logical result of policing in America. When a police officer brutalizes a black person, he is doing what he sees as his job.” The Louisville examples might not make for an airtight case for abolition, but they makes a case nonetheless — a case that can be made almost anywhere police are found across the country.

https://theintercept.com/2020/11/27/defund-police-louisville-breonna-taylor/

If Rose supported defund, that would be s great point quakerboy Nov 2020 #1
Thank you. I keep asking folks to show me ONE Democratic platform that Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #2
It's the same with "open borders" Shermann Nov 2020 #3
It's not a dead horse... reACTIONary Nov 2020 #4
So? You are all for censoring of speech, right? Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #6
Censoring speech... reACTIONary Nov 2020 #7
We are a big tent. quakerboy Nov 2020 #8
My solution... reACTIONary Nov 2020 #10
Your solution is doa quakerboy Nov 2020 #12
+1 Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #15
Sorry, I'm not leaning into "defund the police".... reACTIONary Nov 2020 #16
Then nothing will change quakerboy Dec 2020 #17
Sorry, but "defund the police" is... reACTIONary Dec 2020 #19
And yet its not Democratic policy, so even if that was true, it would be irrelevant. quakerboy Dec 2020 #25
Irrelevant to whom? reACTIONary Dec 2020 #26
Its really not quakerboy Dec 2020 #27
Agree. I sont support the slogan. Reform the police is alot better onetexan Dec 2020 #28
Ps quakerboy Nov 2020 #13
Yes, yes they are!! Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #14
The way to counter false propaganda ... reACTIONary Nov 2020 #5
Not really quakerboy Nov 2020 #9
In fact, I think ... reACTIONary Nov 2020 #11
Explaining is explaining JonLP24 Dec 2020 #18
It is a slogan... Allow me to explain... reACTIONary Dec 2020 #20
Defund is close enough JonLP24 Dec 2020 #21
Actually, defund the police means... reACTIONary Dec 2020 #22
It already did happen JonLP24 Dec 2020 #23
I think the salient point is... reACTIONary Dec 2020 #24
Bringing this back up quakerboy Dec 2020 #29
Sorry I didn't get back to you.... reACTIONary Dec 2020 #30
The numbers are pretty clear quakerboy Dec 2020 #31
Thanks! nt reACTIONary Dec 2020 #32
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