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TexasTowelie

(111,894 posts)
8. I asked first, but I'll answer you anyway even though you ignored my questions.
Fri Aug 5, 2022, 11:27 AM
Aug 2022

Manchin and Sinema tanked the Build Back Better Bill because they didn't like provisions within the bill. You can contact them to get their reasons because I don't speak for either of them. The matter was decided earlier in the year and I don't see any reason to rehash those discussions other than it provides the opportunity to bash both senators which I will not do.

The question isn't necessarily how many amendments, but the price tag associated with those amendments. Could a $50 billion project be included with an amendment and still keep the bill alive? Probably. Could a $500 billion project be added? Not likely and still retain the support of Manchin and Sinema.

From my vantage point, it looks like Schumer and Manchin did the end round of Bernie by excluding him in the negotiations for the bill. While Bernie will receive some attention as budget committee chairman, his ability to negotiate any big ticket items are constrained by the agreements of Schumer, Manchin, and Sinema. Despite Bernie's misgivings about the bill, he really only has two choices---either go along and get the bill passed or load the bill with so much spending that it kills the bill. I hope that it isn't the latter because while the bill isn't perfect it is what can be accomplished in the current political situation.

Now how about some replies to my questions?

He's consistent if nothing else. Phoenix61 Aug 2022 #1
Bernie has more leverage now. Uncle Joe Aug 2022 #2
Manchinwants his pipeline but I don't think Sinema Phoenix61 Aug 2022 #3
No, Uncle Joe Aug 2022 #4
Is that entirely accurate? lapucelle Aug 2022 #9
It's accurate in the primary point being that hedge fund managers Uncle Joe Aug 2022 #10
So it's not entirely accurate? lapucelle Aug 2022 #12
Logical conclusion, those are the primary beneficiaries which you don't dispute. Uncle Joe Aug 2022 #14
How is that a logical conclusion? lapucelle Aug 2022 #15
Buybacks are not mandatory and thus not universal, taxes on micro-transactions pretty much are. Uncle Joe Aug 2022 #18
Yes...and? How does that support the claim? lapucelle Aug 2022 #22
That has been the case for over a year with Build Back Better, Uncle Joe Aug 2022 #23
It may have been claimed for over a year, but it's obviously not the case, lapucelle Aug 2022 #25
If that were true, why wasn't he involved in the discussions between Schumer and Manchin? TexasTowelie Aug 2022 #6
Why did Manchin and Sinema tank the Build Back Better Bill? Uncle Joe Aug 2022 #7
I asked first, but I'll answer you anyway even though you ignored my questions. TexasTowelie Aug 2022 #8
"Bernie doesn't have any more leverage now than he did previously." Me. Aug 2022 #16
You are correct LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #29
He seems shocked about this bill. sheshe2 Aug 2022 #28
Telling Isn't It...In So Many Ways Me. Aug 2022 #30
Yes, it sure is. sheshe2 Aug 2022 #31
Bernie's vote is taken for granted 867-5309. Aug 2022 #5
The story the OP links to says that Sanders is a "we'ii see" on the bill. lapucelle Aug 2022 #11
The video in the OP offers even more substance in regards to Bernie's position on the issue. n/t Uncle Joe Aug 2022 #13
Thanks, but I've heard the stump speech. lapucelle Aug 2022 #17
Yes and accurately so. n/t Uncle Joe Aug 2022 #21
Senate leadership was prepared to counter false claims about the bill. lapucelle Aug 2022 #24
Biden's Build Back Better Plan Will 'Ease' Inflation, 15 Nobel Prize Economists Say Uncle Joe Aug 2022 #26
Those economists said that a year ago. The economic outlook and conditions are very different now. lapucelle Aug 2022 #27
That Really Ticks Me Off Me. Aug 2022 #20
His "leverage" opportunity would be voting with the Repubs to kill. Hortensis Aug 2022 #32
Grrrrr Me. Aug 2022 #33
We're going to get this now and then after November, when we have more reps and Senator onecaliberal Aug 2022 #19
To my mind his 30 years in DC appear as almost nothing but failed opportunities Hortensis Aug 2022 #34
Well said mcar Aug 2022 #35
I agree with your analysls LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #36
Well said, Hortensis. sheshe2 Aug 2022 #39
No no no. Fifteen bucks minimum wage is the magic number. betsuni Aug 2022 #40
The Inflation Reduction Act has passed in the Senate LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #37
Great! Now, on to passage by house Democrats next Friday. Hortensis Aug 2022 #38
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