while we were out running errands today. Just goes along with what I've been thinking about a lot these days: that we have the money to make sure no one lives in abject poverty and we should use it - finally! And stop making it so difficult to get benefits. That's one point he brought up about how so much money for programs is left on the table. When you're depressed and anxious about every day life, all those hoops are just daunting enough not to apply.
It was a good and important interview.
ETA: Oh, and the other thing, because TANF is a federal/state partnership, some states use this money for other things, with only $0.22 of every dollar reaching the poor. His examples were to build church camps and I can't remember the other thing, but I immediately piped in: volleyball facilities in MS for Brett Favre. 
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