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Bill USA

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Thu Aug 30, 2012, 05:46 PM Aug 2012

Why You値l Never Convince Ryan Supporters His "Facts" Are Wrong - Eliot Spitzer [View all]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/spitzer/2012/08/30/paul_ryan_convention_speech_his_facts_about_medicare_the_debt_ceiling_and_almost_everything_else_were_wrong_.html


Thinking folks who listened to Paul Ryan’s speech last night may feel as though they are stuck inside a bottle, screaming louder and louder and still not being heard. Ryan’s big lies keep resonating with the public. We keep saying that if that public only heard the truth, they would turn against him and Mitt Romney. If only it were so easy.


Of course—as is now well-documented—Ryan’s distortions about everything from the auto plant to Medicare are fundamental and horrendous. But we all should have learned by now that people understand the facts, or what is alleged to be factual, in a way that will conform to their pre-existing worldview. So the odds of convincing any significant number of voters who believe the Ryan-Romney myths that those myths are false are pretty slim. This is a divided electorate with virtually no undecided voters remaining. Passion, not logic, will determine the victor. Turnout will decide the election. Hence, the Ryan-Romney strategy is to show no doubt, raise the decibel level, and keep pounding. Facts, as they have admitted, will not be the guiding force in their campaign.


Paul Ryan’s bleating about a credit downgrade that resulted from his own party’s obstinacy about the debt ceiling is no better than Tea Party seniors on Medicare screaming: “Get government out of my Medicare.” But this hypocrisy won’t change, and we should stop expecting it to.


We have a binary choice ahead of us: a theologically driven Republican ticket that denies science, reason, logic, and fact, or a president who was too willing to negotiate for no gain, but at least is now fighting the fight. So while we will never stop trying to convert the probably unconvertible, let’s make sure we focus on getting those on our side of the aisle to take the election seriously and turn out to vote.
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Worth a K &R if only for that last paragraph! lastlib Aug 2012 #1
Obama's biggest challenge is motivating Democrats to vote, if not for him at least to save the USA Bill USA Aug 2012 #2
well all the people I have talked to on the phone and door knocking are motivated here NavyDavy Aug 2012 #6
K&R It is going to be about passion. Hopefully all DUers who can, will work on GOTV efforts JudyM Sep 2012 #22
k&r nt steve2470 Aug 2012 #3
I really don't listen to Paul Ryan. Baitball Blogger Aug 2012 #4
I love Spitzer -- and totally agree. gateley Aug 2012 #5
Once the hard core religious nuts crawled in bed with the GOP, reason and facts are now irrelevant Major Nikon Aug 2012 #7
They have been brainwashed, literally, in a fashion we haven't seen since the 1930s in Europe. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #8
check out what Mike Lofgren, former GOP Cngressional staffer said about the GOP Bill USA Aug 2012 #10
Obviously these people speculating haven't watched FOX "News" Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #9
Whatever, Elliot..we had you as our Governor Cha Aug 2012 #11
You don't like the message, and can't refute it, so shoot the messenger. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2012 #12
I can list President Obama's Accomplishments Cha Aug 2012 #14
You just proved his point. Fuddnik Aug 2012 #15
Stand down? No thanks! proverbialwisdom Aug 2012 #17
Fanaticism fascisthunter Aug 2012 #13
"We will never stop trying to convert the probably unconvertible" Curmudgeoness Aug 2012 #16
Ah, but many are convertible; witness the desperate lying at the RNC to win those votes. proverbialwisdom Aug 2012 #18
They definitely are trying to win votes, Curmudgeoness Aug 2012 #20
Marking to read later. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #19
great article ddavis195600 Aug 2012 #21
They also comfort themselves when confronted with the lies.... Grammy23 Sep 2012 #23
Scary, but true mikki35 Sep 2012 #24
Three words: Right Wing Authoritarianism meow2u3 Sep 2012 #25
K&R!!! hue Sep 2012 #26
In final stretch, Mitt Romney channels Lee Atwater Herlong Sep 2012 #27
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