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In reply to the discussion: The Deafness Before the Storm: New York Times [View all]caseymoz
(5,763 posts)38. I'm not condescending.
For now, you take credit, but soon you'll have to say these disclosed memos are the cover story for the government having blown up the towers with a controlled explosions, because that's the story Truthers embraced. That's definitely not what's negligence implies.
The information that's been revealed here is evidence of negligence. This is emphatically not what the Truthers predicted. Covertly blowing up buildings is not anything like negligence. Hell, I predicted shocking negligence would be uncovered and I'm not a Truther. So, no, you get no credit.
Demanding answers is an honorable thing. The people who demanded disclosure are to be praised for that.
Making wild conjectures before you have the answers based no evidence and weak inferences is not honorable. People do that out of fear, and soon, the fear is informed by nothing real, but by more fear. Soon, it begins to sound exactly like something a paranoid schizophrenic come up with. In fact, it will then attract paranoid schizophrenics, who are relieved to have something to attach their fears to, even if the details might not match. As more join a movement like the 911 conspiracy theorists, it gets less informed by facts and more delusional.
No sorry, Truthers haven't been discredited by name-calling and innuendos about tin-foil hats. Those are things said to them after they've been discredited. The way Truthers have been refuted is that their theories are insane, their evidence was easily rebutted, and it requires a world resembling a Hollywood movie to bring off the schemes they infer. Unfortunately, once somebody believes something, they can't be separated from the belief without anguish. Unconsciously they know this, so it takes more than mere evidence to do it. They would never admit this is why they're still believing.
And this is where many intelligent people find themselves with conspiracy theories. Which is why you should be skeptical in the first place.
And I honestly think the NYT obtained these memos regardless of you, not because of you.
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