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caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
53. I didn't attack, at all.
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 07:16 PM
Sep 2012

I informed you that the tinfoil hat remarks were not the arguments against you. Wild conjecture and paranoid schizophrenics are insults? I didn't say you were schizophrenics, I warned they would be attracted you your movement, and their delusions would then misinform you. Wild conjecture, I'll resort to analogy: if a pitcher throws the ball ten feet above the plate, does calling it wild pitch insult him?

Let me explain exactly why I don't believe in a US government conspiracy to commit 9/11. It's mathematical theorem called Baye's Theorem. The way it applies here is this: the arrow of inference (if you know logic) isn't always reversible. If you have US government conspiracy, you might expect some things to occur, such as having Building 7 collapse. But if Building 7 collapses, that doesn't mean it's caused by a US government conspiracy. Even if you have a whole bunch of things like this, where steel seemingly melts at low temperatures, that still doesn't point to a conspiracy. In both of those, there are several other things other things it can be. Because statistically, there are several other things that could be the cause, the odds of all of them pointing to a conspiracy are vanishingly small. Even if a government conspiracy is one of the possibilities in every piece of evidence.

The best evidence is the most direct and immediate. So, what did we have directly and immediately? We saw planes hit buildings, and we have the fact that Mohammed Atta and his friends weren't motivated to conceal what they did after the fact.

For comparison, if you see Patty shoot John on a video, and you have the pistol, and the bullet, but then you notice on the video that the smoke coming off the pistol looks odd, you don't make the inference that Patty's brother Tom must have done it. Not even if Tom didn't like John dating his sister. You then don't make jumps and say, oh, Tom poisoned John and made it look like Patty did it. Yet, this is exactly what you've done.

The FBI, CIA, Dick Cheney and the Pentagon also don't add up to government committed scenario. You apparently think that if you take all those together, they add up to a conspiracy. No. Mathematically speaking, they don't. They don't give you anything. And since the universe speaks math, I agree with it.

I like your Jack Nicholson "Truth? You can't handle the truth . . ." riff.

Wrong, I can handle it. I actually wish what you say happened. if anything a US government conspiracy to commit 9/11 implies a much easier world than the one we have. First, once we uncover the conspiracy, (and we will, because we can make wild guesses and count on being right about catching them), you can count on radical reform. Whereas with anything less, we're going to get something far less radical.

Second, the whole universe would be much easier. It's one where I could look at liquid pouring from the building, say it must be a conspiracy, and count on being right, without having anything like skills. Fuck, I'd take that universe in a second.

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That is exactly why they had to politicize 9/11 and viciously attack any critics... rfranklin Sep 2012 #1
Unfortunately incompetence is not a war crime, But torture and the Iraq invasion are. on point Sep 2012 #2
Willful ignorance should be nt truebluegreen Sep 2012 #4
It's only willful ignorance when Dems are in office. BlueMTexpat Sep 2012 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #13
and heaven05 Sep 2012 #16
Anything that contradicts an ideologue's dogma is discarded Warpy Sep 2012 #54
Weren't "Truthers" telling us about this since, oh, 2002? n/t RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #3
THANK YOU!!! Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #9
Even now the truth of the Reichstag Fire is unknown..... Jerry442 Sep 2012 #10
No. caseymoz Sep 2012 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #14
That's my understanding of who "truthers" are. caseymoz Sep 2012 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #36
Pearl Harbor was different from 911 caseymoz Sep 2012 #49
the executive was/is a puppet Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #73
yes shanti Sep 2012 #83
The NYT article doesn't prove whether it is incopentence or willful ignorance BlueStreak Sep 2012 #17
It just happens that they couldn't find the briefs caseymoz Sep 2012 #32
The PNACers suggested EXACTLY that BlueStreak Sep 2012 #37
No, NOBODY . . . caseymoz Sep 2012 #48
PNAC = People for a New American Century RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #65
And on the very morning of 9-11, Donald Rumsfeld BlueStreak Sep 2012 #68
That is not entirely true Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #19
Thank you, slit skirt, for speaking out. I feel the "truth" of 9/11 will come out, truth2power Sep 2012 #25
yes, we must stick together and keep fighting Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #26
A conspiracy in DU to sweep it under a rug? caseymoz Sep 2012 #35
Which conspiracy are you talking about? The official 9/11 narrative presupposes a conspiracy... truth2power Sep 2012 #39
You skipped a part of my post, caseymoz Sep 2012 #42
You seem to be making the definition of conspiracy an issue... truth2power Sep 2012 #74
Count me too. I'm perfectly capable of recognizing wild stuff when I hear it, but I always knew patrice Sep 2012 #30
I stood on a street corner ... Shagman Sep 2012 #31
"stood on a street corner". As did I. Along with two other women. And, yes, people honked truth2power Sep 2012 #41
I'm not condescending. caseymoz Sep 2012 #38
you have it all mixed up... Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #43
I didn't attack, at all. caseymoz Sep 2012 #53
nice try Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #77
"Making wild conjectures before you have the answers based no evidence and weak inferences.... Th1onein Sep 2012 #67
great response! Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #76
The Truth Will Out Th1onein Sep 2012 #93
Thanks for that, I couldn't have said it better. n/t RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #70
They were COMPLICIT in the attack Th1onein Sep 2012 #29
Absolutely Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #33
The raw steel evidence has been refuted. caseymoz Sep 2012 #40
then don't respond if you don't link it Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #44
Please list the "thousands of engineers" TrogL Sep 2012 #47
I don't have the list of people Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #58
OK, that's engineers who would like it investigated. I'm with them. TrogL Sep 2012 #79
You are becoming a little insulting Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #85
We're looking at the same sites TrogL Sep 2012 #89
welll 1700 of them want a new investigation Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #95
Okie, dokie: Ever heard of the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth? Th1onein Sep 2012 #61
oohh....snap! Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #78
Didn't I just say, I'm not interested in convincing you? caseymoz Sep 2012 #56
opinion is one thing Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #59
Your opinion is squat without something to underpin it. If you are talking about debunking.... Th1onein Sep 2012 #63
Looks like burning embers to me TrogL Sep 2012 #80
Yeah, right. Th1onein Sep 2012 #97
I've not heard it refuted and I've done A LOT of research on this. Particularly looking for Th1onein Sep 2012 #60
As usual, you're awash in undivided middle TrogL Sep 2012 #46
all naysayers are right Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #50
Looks like more than dust to me TrogL Sep 2012 #82
that's all the steel Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #87
I'm seeing more than steel there. TrogL Sep 2012 #90
yeah..ok Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #94
Link to videos? Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #55
Who said I'm accepting the mainstream theory? TrogL Sep 2012 #84
stop right there Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #88
MIHOP has nothing to do with CD TrogL Sep 2012 #91
The towers' collapses defied the laws of physics. Th1onein Sep 2012 #64
FINALLY somebody who agrees that gravity goes down. TrogL Sep 2012 #81
I have a tendency to believe the experts/engineers on things like that. Th1onein Sep 2012 #96
Yup, anyone who even whispered LIHOP or MIHOP was shut down, and the thread sent to the dungeon riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #12
that is correct Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #22
at least barbtries Sep 2012 #15
Yes, that sounds like Clarke. BlueStreak Sep 2012 #18
it sure does. barbtries Sep 2012 #23
I know what you are referring to....it was Gary Hart Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #24
NO, not at all... SkyDaddy7 Sep 2012 #57
Read the "official account," RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #71
SkyDaddy7...you do not know what you are talking about Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #72
seems more like "selective hearing" KurtNYC Sep 2012 #5
"All right. You've covered your ass now." tanyev Sep 2012 #6
"it was only an assessment of Al Qaeda’s history" rock Sep 2012 #7
Always much suspected. caseymoz Sep 2012 #8
Bush responsible clangsnwhoops Sep 2012 #21
A real must-read jsr Sep 2012 #27
Trying to remember whether the line of questioning during the hearing re 8/6 briefing included any patrice Sep 2012 #28
Conspiracies Jerry442 Sep 2012 #45
Welcome to DU! I've found that whenever anyone derisively states "conspiracy theory," what they.... Raster Sep 2012 #52
Fuck the ny times. They are 11 years too late. In that time through Judy miller and others they still_one Sep 2012 #51
thank you..nice reality check Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #75
Those briefings would make a lovely "October Surprise." toddwv Sep 2012 #62
October Surprise.......I was thinking the same thing, toddwv. Th1onein Sep 2012 #66
An administration that will live in infamy! pscot Sep 2012 #69
Considering some of the responses this post has been getting.... Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #86
Amen!!! TrogL Sep 2012 #92
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