PS: Our word for discussion ('keskustella') is iterative verb derived from noun for center ("keski"
, so what our language means by 'keskustelu' can be better translated as 'intermediating' or 'intermiddle'. Comprehension ('taking together') or understanding (ymmärrys) follows from intermediation (keskustelu). These are not really translations but rather just pointers towards the center, which is not an object and cannot be objectified as "it", what Greeks grasps down (katalambaino) and Latin grasps together (comprendre) to subjectively "get it", the object of knowledge as personal desire. In the center there is no object of knowing or subject wanting to know, just gnosis-knowing as such, in our language 'tajunta', cognition. What is projected from center, from the heart, are not separate objects "out there" that person separation projects as you said and enlightened, but "other" centers here now.
What do these cultural layers speak of and from, the "grabbing" of "it" by Greek and Latin 'katalambaino' and 'comprendre', the standing under or ahead of English and German 'understanding' and 'verstehen'? The Tree of Knowledge and Tree of Life is a myth well known from many creation myths, in Judeo-Christian mythology it represents the Fall, the layers of alienation. Our founding myth is centered around and beginning not from the Fall of man but the falling of the Tree, Big Oak, which had grown too big and shadowed all other life. The fallen Big Oak gave many blessings, so there is question if it is good or bad. just that the elements of nature saw fit to grow the Tree and then to fall it. And we have yet another word for knowing, "tietää", which is derived from "tie" the word for 'path' or 'road' or 'Tao'. To walk in the wood of many trees to go around and look from all sides to comprehend their meaning more fully, and adding your voice and songs to the whole of the forest you and your center are surrounded and intermediated by.
Back to the OP, the nature relation of participation instead of objectification and control is typical for anarchic indigenous and shamanic/animistic peoples. Great active care of tribal anarchic politics is taken to feed this wolf, the good dog that feels home in the pack, and not to feed the other wolf that wants to grow into Big Man and stand as shadow over all other people, other beings and nature as whole.