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Cirsium

(4,101 posts)
38. Sure
Mon May 11, 2026, 08:05 PM
Monday

That thinking comes from the dominant model that has been used for decades by the Democratic party consultants. They poll constantly in order to identify the median voter, and then we always hear the same recommendations from them - soften our positions, or triangulate. Look out! Be afraid! What will Fox news say? We must avoid alienating swing constituencies at all costs! So we prioritize “electability” above ideological clarity. This becomes self-defeating. It leads to exactly what we have now, an ascendant extreme right wing.

Turning politics into perpetual accommodation rather than persuasion means that even when we win, we lose. I know, I know. I have been hearing it for over 50 years. Once we get into office, once we have enough seats, once pubic opinion changes, once some miracle happens THEN we will start talking policy. Until then, any such talk is ridiculed as "purity" and dismissed.

Instead of asking “what do we believe, and how do we explain it compellingly?” the party begins by asking “what already polls safely?” That produces candidates and messaging that is managerial, condescending, ever cautious, and most importantly, emotionally unconvincing. That is particularly true with younger voters as well as for the progressive wing of the coalition. We should be articulating substantive convictions clearly, and advocate for them unapologetically. We should be trying to move public opinion, rather than merely mirror it.

The “electability” argument is itself circular and inherently conservative. Which candidates are deemed electable? The ones that fit existing assumptions. How can we ever expect change under those circumstances, when we operate only into existing assumptions and conceptual frameworks that are based on the status quo? It can only lead to a constant sickening drift to the right since we are ceding the change message to the right wingers. We narrow the range of possibilities by that process, and in turn that then prevents alternative political identities from fully developing, let alone being heard by the general public.

If we don't advocate for radical reform, the right wing steps in with their counterfeit version of reform. That is what we are suffering from right now. When we become overly reactive to polling and focus groups, we lose all coherence. The party is constantly calibrating rather than leading, and voters can sense that.

I think people try to destroy the progressive agenda not because it doesn't resonate with voters, but rather because of the fear that it will.

I think the party is in danger of making the same mistake that the Whigs made in the 1850s. The Whigs thought that the pro-slavery forces would go too far, the public would be disgusted, and that power would then just fall into their hands without them taking a strong stand on slavery. But the pro-slavery party did not collapse, the Whigs did.

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the media allowed TFG to be the "Shadow President" throughout Biden's term UpInArms Sunday #1
Most of the media seem to believe that only Democrats have agency Redleg Sunday #5
Very true. It's been true for 40 years. So what's our plan? Scrivener7 Monday #29
bring back the Fairness Doctrine UpInArms Monday #30
The Fairness Doctrine SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #44
Well, then maybe we should improve the fairness doctrine UpInArms Tuesday #45
How so? SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #46
Any ideas? Joinfortmill Tuesday #52
None SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #53
You aren't going to see your progressive dreams fulfilled while Trump is in the White House creeksneakers2 Sunday #2
Sounds like you've bought the big money argument. lees1975 Sunday #3
Where do you get the 70% figure? creeksneakers2 Sunday #8
Nice, slanted media tripe. lees1975 Sunday #15
I see no response about where you got the 70% claim creeksneakers2 Monday #23
The Washington Post is no longer a respected news source as far as I am concerned. lees1975 Tuesday #49
Here's another look at it creeksneakers2 Wednesday #58
There would be opposition? Say it isn't true! Cirsium Sunday #4
There are fights that can be won creeksneakers2 Sunday #9
Not how it works Cirsium Sunday #14
It does if the party adopts a losing position. creeksneakers2 Monday #35
OK Cirsium Monday #36
If one wins a primary I support them. creeksneakers2 Monday #37
Sure Cirsium Monday #38
You are welcome to pitch your ideas creeksneakers2 Tuesday #43
Thank you so much Cirsium Tuesday #47
It you support our nominees that's great creeksneakers2 Tuesday #48
Not true Cirsium Tuesday #50
Taking the profit out of healthcare and healthcare finance would more than triple the amount of money available lees1975 Tuesday #57
Its impossible to consider and idea without looking at what it would cost creeksneakers2 Wednesday #59
Too far left???? Cirsium Wednesday #62
These are not right wing talking points creeksneakers2 Wednesday #63
All this you said, plus LearnedHand Tuesday #54
Yes Cirsium Tuesday #55
This says the number one problem creeksneakers2 Wednesday #60
The usual Cirsium Wednesday #61
They can't solve everything alone creeksneakers2 Wednesday #64
Agreed Cirsium Wednesday #65
:) creeksneakers2 Wednesday #66
The right is going to say it whether the Dems pursue progressive policies or not. Redleg Sunday #6
They try but they often don't succeed. creeksneakers2 Sunday #11
I think that is correct Redleg Sunday #13
You obviously don't know any poor people that are being forced from Medicaid to Obama care questionseverything Monday #27
I'm not hanging out with any right now creeksneakers2 Monday #33
I don't know what David Hogg is saying... appmanga Sunday #7
He's saying replace older Dems with younger ones creeksneakers2 Sunday #12
You've missed the point. lees1975 Sunday #16
I disagree creeksneakers2 Monday #21
I agree with the need for new blood, and I don't find that divisive... appmanga Sunday #19
There should always be new blood coming in creeksneakers2 Monday #22
We lost after Obama care was passed, at least in part because questionseverything Monday #26
Republicans convinced people that all kinds of terrible things were happening. creeksneakers2 Monday #34
When we get control of Congress, we need to put up votes addressing the economic hardships everyonematters Sunday #10
Agree but the biggest problem we face is rightwing media, which kills public opinion of anything good Dems try LymphocyteLover Sunday #18
Rightwing media has killed the opinion of most Americans about Democrats but LymphocyteLover Sunday #17
The bottom line here is whether Democrats in leadership, including those in the House and Senate lees1975 Sunday #20
Who are the few Dems who have made it obvious that they don't believe Dump is an existential threat to our LymphocyteLover Monday #24
They say he is. lees1975 Monday #25
I suppose, but politics is complicated LymphocyteLover Monday #41
Last week 14 democrats joined the repubs to pass the farm bill questionseverything Monday #28
OMG. Was this House or Senate? LymphocyteLover Monday #39
I looked it up-- it was the House, so 14 Dems there is not totally shocking but some surprising names LymphocyteLover Monday #42
Well you wanted a list--- lees1975 Thursday #67
It is pure copium to blame this on the media. That is a good way to fail to make changes and keep losing as a result. RockRaven Monday #31
Blame the media, or fail to come up with a plan to get around our decades-old media disadvantage. Scrivener7 Monday #32
the media is a big problem but we also need a better way to deal with them LymphocyteLover Monday #40
Spot on! Joinfortmill Tuesday #51
It has nothing to do with policy. It's about the narrative / myth. legallyblondeNYC Tuesday #56
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