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Igel

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13. It's a mistake to say that because you and I don't like it, it's not something other Democrats do.
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:45 PM
Nov 2012

The entire high-stakes testing push and common core has been bipartisan.

It's a way of making sure that reluctant districts teach everybody equally. It's there to monitor teachers and others and make sure that the regulations are enforced and goals are met. This impulse to control isn't just (R). It's also (D).

Notice that part of the objection to charters on the part of progressives is the lack of accountability--which means lack of supervision and control by superiors. Laws and regs made for public schools don't necessarily apply, and many of those laws and regulations were made by (D).

A lot of the push for testing comes from parents. They want to make sure their kids are learning what they need to know. If (R) want creationism (rather a broad brush for a narrow slice of the group), then (D) want to make sure STEM requiremetns are well implemented.

Don't forget that Ted Kennedy, hardly a corporatist by most measures, was behind the a recent bout of the high-stakes testing binge-fest.

The assumption is that the schools can make up for everything society--and by "society," I mean families--flubs. Poverty? Schools can ameloriate it. Poor socialization? Schools. Ignorance? Schools. Lack of representation by minorities in STEM careers? Schools. Inequality, imbalances in society, bullying, intolerance ... Schools. Seven woes, one answer.

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Agree this is bad but lalalu Nov 2012 #1
I disagree about the source of pressure: it's coming from people with money yurbud Nov 2012 #3
Yes, the pressure is coming from people with money. lalalu Nov 2012 #8
that explanation also doesn't hold up when you consider that Arne is consistent with the appointment yurbud Nov 2012 #6
That is exactly what I am saying. lalalu Nov 2012 #9
Rahm probably won in spite of that not because of it, given the recent dust up yurbud Nov 2012 #10
It's a mistake to say that because you and I don't like it, it's not something other Democrats do. Igel Nov 2012 #13
progressives don't like the lack of "accountability" because it is the stick used to beat regular yurbud Nov 2012 #17
I have thought for a long time that Arne should be gone Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #2
the concept of charters is not bad, but the way to keep it honest is it should come from yurbud Nov 2012 #4
I don't really understand what you mean. If it comes from the public school teachers and Squinch Nov 2012 #7
in the sense that it is free from some of the regulation and curriculum requirements and is more yurbud Nov 2012 #11
I think if you DID allow public schools to do that again, a lot of the problems in education would Squinch Nov 2012 #14
they are separate in terms of supervision, but they can leech resources and even buildings yurbud Nov 2012 #18
Yes. This is true. And the charter schools are always visibly better funded too. Squinch Nov 2012 #23
He would be gone, except that Doctor_J Nov 2012 #21
Charter schools are a disaster. As is high stakes testing. Squinch Nov 2012 #5
you're right. teachers try to work around it but my wife teaches K-12 and her principal comes yurbud Nov 2012 #12
I am not a teacher but I work closely with teachers. What I see is that the children who truly Squinch Nov 2012 #15
that's a good summary yurbud Nov 2012 #16
Good post. recommended. Bill USA Nov 2012 #19
More triangulation from the president Doctor_J Nov 2012 #20
But, the message from 2012 is: If the other side is bad enough, then YOU can get away with anything. FiveGoodMen Nov 2012 #22
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