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limpyhobbler

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8. The motives are part of their defense.

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 09:12 PM

Nov 2012

They should be allowed to present the best possible defense in court.

Why did you put the word "YOU" in all capital letters?

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Kangaroo Court Looming for Y-12 Nuclear Weapons Critics [View all] limpyhobbler Nov 2012 OP

It's called "the rule of law" . . . MrModerate Nov 2012 #1

Should their motives be allowed in the defense? The fact that they did it as limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #2

They breached a national security area... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #3

So you support a gag order that forbids them from stating their motives in the crime. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #4

and thank YOU for putting words in my mouth... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #5

So you support gagging these protesters from raising their MOTIVES as part of their defense. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #6

What point would voicing their motives serve? a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #7

The motives are part of their defense. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #8

okay then... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #9

I didn't say any of those things. Only that they should be able to speak in their own defense. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #10

I understand you have difficulty understanding the law. a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #12

The lawyer sitting next to me PETRUS Nov 2012 #14

Fair point. a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #16

You've made an incorrect assumption. PETRUS Nov 2012 #39

The difference in our worldviews seems to be that I play by the rules... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #41

In what sense am I not playing by the rules? PETRUS Nov 2012 #42

You seem to be willing to allow "noble reasons" to mitigate/abrogate the law. a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #45

You misunderstand me. PETRUS Nov 2012 #46

They broke the law without extenuating circumstances. a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author PETRUS Nov 2012 #50

If affirmative defense is typically limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #17

maybe the judge doesn't want to say "national security," to avoid a media spectacle... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #23

If the prosecution tried to stop the affirmative defense based on a national security claim, limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #31

limphobbler... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #34

The only thing I'm talking about is whether they should be able to present an affirmative defense. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #37

kind of figured that one... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #38

You misunderstand the point of civil disobedience. Cal Carpenter Nov 2012 #18

and national security can override that "on the record" a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #22

"National Security" has been used as an excuse for all sorts of Cal Carpenter Nov 2012 #24

Go look up Protect - Vachss, and - separately - the NRA a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #25

You're not even trying Cal Carpenter Nov 2012 #26

right... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #27

Nukes have fallen under "national security" Confusious Nov 2012 #28

I was throwing his question back at him Cal Carpenter Nov 2012 #30

Cal... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #33

Wow, who needs courts at all then? Cal Carpenter Nov 2012 #35

okay...here we go... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #36

Well, you got a little off topic Confusious Nov 2012 #52

Their motives warrant consideration by society as a whole . . . MrModerate Nov 2012 #11

but the article wouldn't rouse the populace (as much) without the "kangaroo" phrase... n/t a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #13

Good point. And civil disobedience doesn't work as well without . . . MrModerate Nov 2012 #19

Tools are most effective, when correctly used... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #21

Or when the social contract is so frayed by official abuse . . . MrModerate Nov 2012 #29

then we get into the issue of just WHAT is in the social contract... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #32

What do you do when society's ostensible leaders are willing to ignore the laws of the land? PETRUS Nov 2012 #40

Nice framing question... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #43

I didn't say they did. PETRUS Nov 2012 #44

Personally, I want to see Elizabeth Warren lead an Untouchables style raid on Wall street... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #47

Tempting idea. PETRUS Nov 2012 #49

mind you... if we really wanted to be mean... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #51

I'm not a lawyer either. PETRUS Nov 2012 #15

Okey-doke. And what does he say? MrModerate Nov 2012 #20

Their website is transformnowplowshares.wordpress.com bananas Nov 2012 #53