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Summer Hathaway

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36. There is nothing "cool"
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 08:55 PM
Jan 2013

about attributing thoughts, words, or deeds to someone who has been dead for forty-five years, and pretending they have any basis in fact - as Mr. Ford did in his article.

I will repeat my initial reaction - as you don't seem to 'get it': No one can possibly know what a long-deceased person would have thought about anything in present times, as the years we live inform us and shape us, often in ways that change our opinions and political positions.

Using myself as an example - because I don't deign to speak with the voice of the dead - many of my views have changed over the last forty-five years. Had I died four decades ago, I would have been remembered as pro-death penalty, strongly anti-military on all levels, extremely pro-Israel without reservation, desirous of living in a commune or kibbutz, and eschewing a career in order to raise as many kids as I could produce.

Forty-five years later, however, I am against the death penalty, have a much better appreciation of why the military is necessary, have little respect for Israel and its actions, hate 'country life' and live in a densely populated city, and have a career that I find much more satisfying than being a stay-at-home mom with a houseful of kids and limited the size of my family to pursue that career.

So had Mr. Ford or anyone else written about how I would have viewed things in 2013, based on how I viewed things before I passed forty-five years ago, they would have been wrong on many, many counts. Very wrong.

Mr. Ford's diatribe assumes that MLK would have lived in a vacuum for all of the years since his passing, and would never have been informed and/or changed by forty-five years of the life he never got to live.

As I said earlier, no one could possibly know whether Dr. King, had he lived all of the years he never got to live, would have been Obama's staunchest supporter or his worst enemy. And to pretend to KNOW the unknowable is as arrogant as it is downright laughable.

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Is Glen Ford speaking for Dr King? Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #1
Would you care to comment demwing Jan 2013 #2
I agree with it. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #3
You believe Obama demwing Jan 2013 #4
pretty much limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #5
Well there it is /nt demwing Jan 2013 #10
what? limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #19
Listen, I'm glad you are straight forward about your beliefs demwing Jan 2013 #20
"Does Barack Obama represent the political tradition of Martin Luther King?" limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #21
If it deserves serious discussion, then discuss it seriously demwing Jan 2013 #25
It seemed like a serious commentary to me. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #30
What war has he started? obama2terms Jan 2013 #22
I think if MLK were alive he would be harshly critical of Obama's brutal drone warfare policies. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #33
This type of writing Summer Hathaway Jan 2013 #6
Very well said...n/t monmouth3 Jan 2013 #7
I completely disagree with what you just said. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #8
It takes absolutely no thought whatsoever Summer Hathaway Jan 2013 #15
If MLK were alive today he would be really disappointed in President Obama. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #18
Well let's see here obama2terms Jan 2013 #23
You make a lot of good points and I agree with much of that. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #32
Ah, yet another man Summer Hathaway Jan 2013 #24
It's cool to say how a particular political philosopher from history would view modern events. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #35
There is nothing "cool" Summer Hathaway Jan 2013 #36
Actually it's very cool to learn about the philosophical ideas of liberation and non-violence limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #39
... Summer Hathaway Jan 2013 #41
Do you understand that a person can present their opinion without expressly labeling it an opinion? limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #43
Mr. Ford does not Summer Hathaway Jan 2013 #44
I feel like you don't understand how to tell facts from opinions. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #45
It has nothing to do with Obama Summer Hathaway Jan 2013 #47
+1 Politicub Jan 2013 #13
Exactly.... Its pure conjecture bullshit Still Sensible Jan 2013 #17
Hiding behind MLK is a great tactic. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #29
hackneyed. Not hack-kneed Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #27
One was a man of peace. The other won the Nobel peace prize. nt cbrer Jan 2013 #9
somehow they both won a Nobel Peace Prize. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #11
Thanks cbrer Jan 2013 #12
You're just a ray of sunshine, aren't you? Politicub Jan 2013 #14
What's your point? limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #16
That "dialogue" with you has very little Shivering Jemmy Jan 2013 #26
That made no sense limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #31
Apparently, today is "Speak for a famous dead person" day. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #28
It's cool to say how a particular political philosopher from history would view modern events. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #34
Actually, you can not make those claims with any authority. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #37
I agree, nobody can actually know 100% for sure how a historical figure would view current events. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #38
But it is not so obvious. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #40
It was his opinion. One doesn't have to say "this is my opinion" because it's implied. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #42
I don't think conflating an activist with a politician or religious leader with a politician is good stevenleser Jan 2013 #46
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