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Demeter

(85,373 posts)
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:50 AM Feb 2013

Obama repeals Magna Carta, asserting powers our forefathers denied to Kings [View all]

http://fabiusmaximus.com/2013/02/07/obama-kill-list-assassinate-48595/

Summary: The Republic is at war against an adaptive foe that seeks its destruction. Not al Qaeda, which might no longer exist in meaningful form, but internal foes seeking its overthrow. That they’re moving incrementally, small steps slowly growing larger with each success, only masks the boldness of their goals. It’s the quiet coup. Here we look at the latest chapter in the war, the most recent rip torn in the Constitution.

As the America-that-Once-Was evolves into the quite different New America, the identity of those responsible becomes increasingly clear. It’s us. Our disinterest in working the Founders’ machinery of self-government. Our passive acceptance of Empire and plutocracy. Saddest of all is our abandonment of America’s ideals, the end point of a thousand year-long struggle.

These things are all seen in our reaction to President Obama’s white paper granting himself powers not seen in Anglo-American history since the Stuart Kings. Limiting the Monarchs’ right of arbitrary arrest and punishment of their subjects took 450 years, from the first tentative agreement in Magna Carta (1215) to its achievement in the English Civil War (1641-1662). Now, with our complaisance, Presidents Bush Jr and Obama have erased much of that progress.

Two provisions of Magna Carta deserve our attention today, a gift to us from the Barons of 13th century England.

38. No bailiff for the future shall, upon his own unsupported complaint, put anyone to his “law”, without credible witnesses brought for this purposes. {This was replaced by improved legislation in 1863}

39. No freemen shall be taken or imprisoned or disseised {deprived of land} or exiled or in any way destroyed, nor will we go upon him nor send upon him, except by the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land. {This remains in force for the people of England, but no longer in the USA}


Our ancestors spent much blood, sweat, and tears between that day at Runnymede and the meeting in 1878 at Philadelphia. The liberties provided by the Constitution were won over those 30 generations, by the unruly Saxons and Normans of Medieval England — and the Founders, jealous of their liberties and willing to fight for them. In the decade since 9-11 we’ve thoughtlessly thrown away political structures that took centuries to build...
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The police state implications of Obama’s assassination program Demeter Feb 2013 #1
“We aren’t known for torturing people any more. In the Obama era, we’re known for killing them.” Demeter Feb 2013 #2
This is a record. Two responses to the OP by the author of the OP. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #9
Dear Buzz Clik Demeter Feb 2013 #20
unruly Saxons and Normans of Medieval England ? dipsydoodle Feb 2013 #3
dipsydoodle Diclotican Feb 2013 #17
Obama repeals Magna Carta... ReRe Feb 2013 #4
Thank you! Happy Valentine's Day to you and yours, too. Demeter Feb 2013 #21
Bilge! Ian Iam Feb 2013 #5
Meeting in 1878? Should we doubt any other "facts" in the post? nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2013 #6
I didn't get past the title. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #8
Numlexia: 1787 and bad proof reading do not an invalid argument make. TalkingDog Feb 2013 #10
I guess the old hysteria wasn't enough. It needed a new dimension. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #7
I heard that he pried open the Ark of the Covenant and pissed on The Decalogue, too Orrex Feb 2013 #11
I heard Obama pulls the tags off of mattresses too. FSogol Feb 2013 #15
Oh dear god the monster! davidpdx Feb 2013 #33
Funny - when Bush did these sort of things ... bread_and_roses Feb 2013 #12
Why do so many here that condemn what bu$h did, defend it when Obama does the same thing? RC Feb 2013 #14
wow, what a record....... BrainDrain Feb 2013 #13
The 3 Laws of Robotics are Science Fiction and are not implemented in AI today Demeter Feb 2013 #22
Magna Carta......ha Historic NY Feb 2013 #16
Maybe the reason this trend is going beyond party lines is because gtar100 Feb 2013 #18
+1000 blackspade Feb 2013 #19
Demeter....Thank you for posting, and also for the two addenda to your OP.... truth2power Feb 2013 #23
The only surprise... bvar22 Feb 2013 #24
Loyalists, bvar. enlightenment Feb 2013 #27
While I appreciate your response, ... bvar22 Feb 2013 #28
In primary literature, you will generally find enlightenment Feb 2013 #29
Minor quibble: I don't think anyone in Medieval Europe thought that the king was descended from God DavidDvorkin Feb 2013 #32
"I sometimes envy those who are capable of bestowing THAT much trust and responsibility in a man." rhett o rick Feb 2013 #34
Err.. persons taken in arms against the king could be summarily executed Recursion Feb 2013 #25
Oh that's just for enemies he personally designates kenny blankenship Feb 2013 #26
Kick for the weekend, for all people Demeter Feb 2013 #30
We need a double rec. feature cbrer Feb 2013 #31
Here's a link to the Declaration of Independence. Perhaps you could explain, with relevant struggle4progress Feb 2013 #36
Perhaps you could explain why your reply cbrer Feb 2013 #38
Since the Declaration then lists the long train of alleged abuses, such as endeavoring struggle4progress Feb 2013 #39
Your interpretation cbrer Feb 2013 #40
The authors evidently miss that the limited guarantees of the Magna Carta were superceded struggle4progress Feb 2013 #35
More bullshit yang from the left balancing the yin from the right to keep us from getting shit done appacom Feb 2013 #37
I get the writer's general point, but his reasoning is shoddy and lacks critical thought Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #41
Kick. woo me with science Feb 2013 #42
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