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Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
32. Quoting Mitt Romney?
Tue May 28, 2013, 03:34 AM
May 2013

Really now?

"You think that the system they have now is one of their choosing. It's not. It's what shook out at the end, but it was forced on them."

Yes and no. There are varying degrees of democracy. The Shah instigated a military coup with the help of the CIA to depose a democratically elected president. A president who was not a right winger by the way. If democracy had been allowed to flourish, women's rights would have progressed even further.

The United States system is not fully democratic today either. It especially wasn't after its revolution, with slavery and without women's suffrage, but that doesn't mean it was more of a dictatorship than King George.

Just because it wasn't perfect, didn't mean the US should have gone back to Monarchy. Just because it was less despotic, didn't mean it did not need progressive change. However, the people who won those changes never did it by going around spouting "THINGS SURE WERE BETTER WITH KING GEORGE" in every single discussion about bringing change. Which is basically what I see from a lot of Iranian Ex-pats. I promise you these 30 women do not want that kind of help.




PS - Look more into the usage of the term disheveled. But your last post was to most coherent one yet, so thumbs up.

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Brave women. Keep up the pressure. /nt Ash_F May 2013 #1
love those gals Skittles May 2013 #2
It's in their idiotic constitution that women can't be President. MADem May 2013 #3
Hmm? no Ash_F May 2013 #4
Well, having lived there before and after, I beg to differ with Wikipedia on that score. MADem May 2013 #5
While it is true that there are some Iranians who pine for the days of the Shah. Ash_F May 2013 #6
I am not talking about 'pining' for the days of the Shah. MADem May 2013 #8
A clarification Ash_F May 2013 #7
Women had rights under Shah. They're treated like shit under the Guardian Council. MADem May 2013 #9
Your premise is John2 May 2013 #10
No they didn't. MADem May 2013 #11
I'm not naive because John2 May 2013 #12
You plainly have serious gaps in your understanding of how the government works in Iran, MADem May 2013 #13
The only point John2 May 2013 #14
The RG was not part of the Army in 1978, any more than the Baseej is part of the Army now. MADem May 2013 #17
Yeah you are not getting it. Ash_F May 2013 #15
No. Not true at ALL. But "the country" is not "the leadership." MADem May 2013 #16
And that is where you are disconnected from reality due to wishful thinking. Ash_F May 2013 #18
Don't be foolish. The one who is "disconnected from reality" here isn't me. MADem May 2013 #19
You might be more effective if you cut your posts down. Ash_F May 2013 #20
Ah, now you don't like the length of my posts. MADem May 2013 #21
You denigrate the female candidates Ash_F May 2013 #22
You're making things up yet again. MADem May 2013 #23
Another word salad Ash_F May 2013 #24
When you can't rebut the point, you come up with a "pithy" insult. MADem May 2013 #25
So.. 40 years of your strategy has gotten you what exactly? Ash_F May 2013 #26
What "strategy?" See, there you go again. MADem May 2013 #27
Rings hollow. Ash_F May 2013 #28
What rings hollow is your childish attempts to pick fights, replete with snark and empty commentary. MADem May 2013 #29
You seem quite disheveled Ash_F May 2013 #30
You 'seem' to be wearing out your dictionary--"disheveled" you say? MADem May 2013 #31
Quoting Mitt Romney? Ash_F May 2013 #32
Now you're going about as low as you can manage--first you use personal insults, and then you MADem May 2013 #33
"But....but....this one is worse!!!" Ash_F May 2013 #34
You read what you want to read. And your understanding of the country is MADem May 2013 #35
Again with the links.... Ash_F May 2013 #36
I shouldn't bother because you don't read them. MADem May 2013 #37
OK, I went ahead and read them Ash_F May 2013 #38
Those are the poor who live in the south of the city. MADem May 2013 #39
this thread has been an interesting read treestar May 2013 #40
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