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cascadiance

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11. Which is why it is good someone is revealing to us those that are betraying our country...

Wed Aug 14, 2013, 11:23 PM

Aug 2013

... when they violate our 4th amendment rights in secrecy on a massive scale. That is a pretty huge crime, and you are right. Those people did have a choice on whether to have the NSA violate American's constitutional rights.

Snowden also had a choice on whether to ignore this crime or let everyone know that it was going on. I'm glad he chose to work for the people and not for those who falsely claim they work for the people when they are violating their rights heavily.

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Edward Snowden Had No Way Out [View all] bemildred Aug 2013 OP

Consent of the governed is not consent if it is not informed. Th1onein Aug 2013 #1

Yep, you got it, that's the argument. bemildred Aug 2013 #2

I, for one, am not willing to let this go. Th1onein Aug 2013 #3

Yep, it's a grenade, all right, might cause some splatter. bemildred Aug 2013 #4

But but but... mindwalker_i Aug 2013 #5

Yeah, and his girlfriend is a pole dancer and he's got BOXES in his garage! Th1onein Aug 2013 #7

This ignores that every major fact was included in some Congresssional hearing or speech karynnj Aug 2013 #6

Nope, not gonna fly. Th1onein Aug 2013 #9

The things that many are saying they did not know karynnj Aug 2013 #14

Sorry, not buying. Th1onein Aug 2013 #27

What do you think about the argument the OP makes? bemildred Aug 2013 #16

I get the points it is making, but disagree with their assumption that the law was made in secret karynnj Aug 2013 #17

Thank you. bemildred Aug 2013 #18

Snowden gave out classified material which detailed the expicit implementation of the law karynnj Aug 2013 #19

I don't give a damn about that. bemildred Aug 2013 #20

Again, I disagree with your premise karynnj Aug 2013 #22

Yes, and I disagree with yours. So does the US Constitution. bemildred Aug 2013 #23

Nowhere did I say that government empoyees have either the right or duty to lie karynnj Aug 2013 #24

The Constitution says we own the government, not that the government owns us. bemildred Aug 2013 #25

I have a lot of company as well - the vast majority of people in this country karynnj Aug 2013 #26

Like I said, I don't see anywhere we can go here. We have no common assumptions. bemildred Aug 2013 #28

Your obvious condescension in your earlier post is not a winning argument either karynnj Aug 2013 #37

That was a compliment, a gesture of respect. bemildred Aug 2013 #38

Why don't you just read their lips? Th1onein Aug 2013 #29

There is always a choice when you betray your Country. MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #8

Which is why it is good someone is revealing to us those that are betraying our country... cascadiance Aug 2013 #11

He did not need to release classified information to do what you are speaking of karynnj Aug 2013 #15

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. bemildred Aug 2013 #21

What warrantless snooping on citizens has been occurring since 2009? Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #10

NSA broke privacy rules thousands of times per year, audit finds bemildred Aug 2013 #32

Did you observe the results of this audit or did you just see the headlines of thousands per year? Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #33

Why don't you read up on it yourself and share? bemildred Aug 2013 #34

I did read the link, it shows a the percentages of operator errors, etc and this is from operators Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #35

I've known since the 1970s my government is watching me. bemildred Aug 2013 #36

du rec. xchrom Aug 2013 #12

Snowden is a coward. stonecutter357 Aug 2013 #13

Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Aug 2013 #30

We are debating law tradition when we should be debating the law system polynomial Aug 2013 #31