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In reply to the discussion: That herbal supplement may not be what you think it is, scientists find [View all]Th1onein
(8,514 posts)85. No, honey, quite the contrary. Unlike you, I do my homework.
And I have for many years. Perhaps that's why I head a not-for-profit research foundation.
And what is your involvement in scientific research? Oh! None, right?
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That herbal supplement may not be what you think it is, scientists find [View all]
HuckleB
Oct 2013
OP
The pharma industry has been pushing for regulation for decades. NOT a good idea.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#1
There is no regulation, and, yes, they all lie about the evidence of the benefits.
HuckleB
Oct 2013
#70
Are you kidding or lying? Here's the links again; I tested them myself, before posting.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#122
Even YOUR OP states that two of the companies tested (and they didn't test many)
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#188
Oh, that's right those blog posts by science address, cover and link to studies.
HuckleB
Oct 2013
#208
I see not one article that can be referenced on any scientific indice; not ONE.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#240
If you think the FDA keeps us safe from big pharma, I have some swamp land to sell you.
WCLinolVir
Oct 2013
#253
Yep. It never ceases to amaze me just how vulnerable the public is thanks to the FDA.
WCLinolVir
Oct 2013
#260
How many supplements are there? How does this system work now for drugs out of patent?
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#153
I'm not against any government regulation, per se. But this law? No. It will devastate consumers.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#158
They try to slip them in tacked onto other bills, AND pass them by themselves.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#169
It subjects supplement ingredients to the same testing that drugs are tested with.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#265
yes, keep on making sweeping, entirely unsupported statements & maybe they will magically come true
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#302
HOW AM I MISREPRESENTING TH STUDY U REFERRED TO? I QUOTED FROM THE ARTICLE ON UNIVERSITY OF GUELPH
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#306
I gave a link to the article on the Univ of Guelph website. anybody can click on it and read what
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#313
the information I quoted is from the conclusions of the study you referred to in OP
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#317
OH, you weren't talking about the study you started this thread about, the one you refer to in th OP
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#314
you're making noises without making any sense. I guess you feel you don't have to be constrained by
Bill USA
Oct 2013
#318
All of your nonsense is an ugly attack. You have lied repeatedly. Including here.
HuckleB
Oct 2013
#214
Stop with the personal attacks, HuckleB. I've posted links to PubMed. Do they lie?
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#225
How many times do I have to explain the value of preliminary studies and even small, single reviews?
HuckleB
Oct 2013
#228
Let me get this straight, we're supposed to by into your cherry picked nothingness?
HuckleB
Oct 2013
#237
You have posted blog posts, on varying topics, and called that a consensus on one topic.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#243
FDA regulates both finished dietary supplement products and dietary ingredients.
SoLeftIAmRight
Oct 2013
#11
The Science Based Medicine website is a joke. Try, life extension foundation
SoLeftIAmRight
Oct 2013
#22
"Life extension" is a supplement seller, pushing bad science. It is not legitimate.
HuckleB
Oct 2013
#23
You're the same guy pushing a supplement seller as a good source of information.
HuckleB
Oct 2013
#27
There it is. Been waiting for the mocking emoticon. You were slow today.
SoLeftIAmRight
Oct 2013
#30
You post crap from blogs and call it a "scientific consensus." It's laughable.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#142
but duece bigalo said that regulations are what's killing his suplemental biz
leftyohiolib
Oct 2013
#3
Regulation should include companies proving the claims they make for their products.
HuckleB
Oct 2013
#5
I posted an article about a study. To call it biased material is simply ludicrous.
HuckleB
Oct 2013
#8
FDA regulates both finished dietary supplement products and dietary ingredients.
SoLeftIAmRight
Oct 2013
#9
Oh, because YOU say they're debunked, then they must be debunked. Load of crap.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#80
ONE article, wherein even the AUTHORS admit that the sample size is too small to generalize,
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#91
Yeah, I saw those blog posts. Wow, what a "scientific consensus" you got there!
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#185
BUT NOT THE REGULATION THAT YOU ARE CALLING FOR! YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING THE FACTS!
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#248
You're justification for supplement company shenanigans is to offer up a red herring?
HuckleB
Oct 2013
#64
Since the evidence says most of them do nothing, although some may cause harm...
HuckleB
Oct 2013
#55
Funny you would say that, HuckleB. Because that's EXACTLY what Big Pharma is pushing for.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#100
I've attacked your information, not you. I can't say that you've done the same with me, HuckleB.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#199
The consensus that most supplements are worthless is based on multiple studies.
HuckleB
Oct 2013
#109
Blog posts by scientists that link to and discuss studies are quite legitimate.
HuckleB
Oct 2013
#205
You are putting words in the mouths of others because you have no justification for your stance.
HuckleB
Oct 2013
#171
He's calling everyone else deluded, but he quotes as a "consensus" ONE ARTICLE,
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#95
that's who i use. i wish the articles in the op named the good company. it helps. eom
ellenfl
Oct 2013
#46
i disagree. finding that both products from one manufacturer contained 100% of the dna they
ellenfl
Oct 2013
#76
i'm absolutely in favor of regulation, but until then, i want to know what non-industry
ellenfl
Oct 2013
#78
In other words, you think small, individual studies change the actual consensus?
HuckleB
Oct 2013
#111
Yeah, actually that's one of the main places you're going to find settled science.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#252
Meanwhile, Sixty Mintues reported that the very expensive pharmaceuticals we
truedelphi
Oct 2013
#60
It's the pharmas that want supplement regulation, HuckleB. Surely, you are not unaware of this?
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#97
So someone like you, who wants Big Pharma to sell us vitamins, isn't pro corporate?
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#136
I wonder why you don't want to discuss this topic? I'm pro-science, not pro-Monsanto.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#254
THAT is factually incorrect. I invite everyone to click on the PubMed links I posted.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#151
Like I said, I invite everyone to click on the links I've provided to REAL SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#223
Sorry, but I've offered the evidence for people to actually see for themselves. As opposed
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#255
Yeah, it'll get worse until the Big Pharmas have control, then all of a sudden vitamins are great!
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#121
Billion-Dollar Scam In a Bottle: Why Vitamins Could Be Useless—or Even Shorten Your Lifespan
HuckleB
Oct 2013
#130
If you think you're going to pass this off as a scientific study, you're sadly mistaken.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#157
"The authors noted that their data can't distinguish whether the women they studied were taking
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#155
NO one has attacked you personally, HuckleB. But you're not going to get away with attacking others
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#219
I have not attacked you. And I will not attack you. It is not necessary in order for me to make my
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#266
I am a scientist, HuckleB. You are not. Blog posts are NOT scientific articles.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#203
So now we know that anti-science folks will scream and yell when their pets are shown to be awful.
HuckleB
Oct 2013
#224
Diet Supplements or Nutritional Supplements: A Ruse by Any Other Name is Still a Ruse
HuckleB
Oct 2013
#235
You do realize that this is an anti-supplement site? Hardly a non-biased source.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#261
They want you to have to pay Big Pharma for your supplements. How about $750 a month for some
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#258
You arguing for less regulation for one scummy industry because another one also needs more?
HuckleB
Oct 2013
#273