Editorials & Other Articles

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)

153. How many supplements are there? How does this system work now for drugs out of patent?

Sun Oct 13, 2013, 01:13 PM

Oct 2013

I want to ask you something: How many compounds are there out there, right now, that are out of patent, that could help people suffering from different ailments? There are a LOT. Millions, in fact. But they are not subjected to clinical trials and no one wants to file a new drug application on them because it is prohibitively expensive, and once they do ALL of that work and spend ALL of that money, guess what? NOW, they have competition.

Let me give you an example: 3-bromopyruvate. A scientist, Young Ko, from Johns Hopkins, found this compound to kill cancer. And it doesn't hurt normal cells. It works miraculously. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15465013
"Advanced cancers: eradication in all cases using 3-bromopyruvate therapy to deplete ATP." You think anyone has filed a new drug application for this compound? NO. Why is that?

Because it is an old compound, out of patent, and no one is going to spend the money for the new drug application ($1 million) and the clinical trials, just so that when it passes the FDA, they have competition from everyone who can make it and sell it. Instead, the scientists at Johns Hopkins are trying to make a drug like it, that has the same efficacy and the same lack of toxicity.

The same thing will happen with vitamins and supplements, for the same reasons.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

328 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

That herbal supplement may not be what you think it is, scientists find [View all] HuckleB Oct 2013 OP

The pharma industry has been pushing for regulation for decades. NOT a good idea. Th1onein Oct 2013 #1

Lol jberryhill Oct 2013 #2

Why would you buy from someone who lies about what's in their product? Th1onein Oct 2013 #67

There is no regulation, and, yes, they all lie about the evidence of the benefits. HuckleB Oct 2013 #70

You are just flat out wrong. Th1onein Oct 2013 #72

Oh, so you think the FDA should just cut and run on Big Pharma? HuckleB Oct 2013 #74

My motivation is FACTS. Th1onein Oct 2013 #81

You have a reputation for not caring about the science of most things. HuckleB Oct 2013 #83

No, honey, quite the contrary. Unlike you, I do my homework. Th1onein Oct 2013 #85

You make a lot claims, but you offer no evidence. HuckleB Oct 2013 #87

See the first article on that page? That's my research. Th1onein Oct 2013 #96

the pubmed link comes up as the Blank search page. GeorgeGist Oct 2013 #104

Are you kidding or lying? Here's the links again; I tested them myself, before posting. Th1onein Oct 2013 #122

The Nova publishers link does go to a listing for a book on cystic fibrosis, StrayKat Oct 2013 #301

Try not to make claims that you can't support. HuckleB Oct 2013 #105

It's funny how the regulations you want are the same ones Big Pharma wants. Th1onein Oct 2013 #147

It's funny how you use these tired libertarian baloney excuses. HuckleB Oct 2013 #172

I support CONSUMERS who don't want to pay $750 a month for their Vitamin C. Th1onein Oct 2013 #177

Hogwash. You support BILLION DOLLAR SCUMBAG SUPPLEMENT COMPANIES! HuckleB Oct 2013 #179

Even YOUR OP states that two of the companies tested (and they didn't test many) Th1onein Oct 2013 #188

My OP is about one study. HuckleB Oct 2013 #189

WHERE ARE THE OTHERS? WHERE'S YOUR SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS? Th1onein Oct 2013 #195

Oh, that's right those blog posts by science address, cover and link to studies. HuckleB Oct 2013 #208

Is that really all you got? Personal attacks? Th1onein Oct 2013 #201

I've got the clear consensus of science behind me. HuckleB Oct 2013 #209

You keep saying that, but you post NOTHING to support it. Th1onein Oct 2013 #227

You have lied about that repeatedly. HuckleB Oct 2013 #230

Everyone here can see what you posted, HuckleB. Th1onein Oct 2013 #232

You are lying again. Everyone can see that. HuckleB Oct 2013 #234

I see not one article that can be referenced on any scientific indice; not ONE. Th1onein Oct 2013 #240

And you lie again. HuckleB Oct 2013 #242

Really? Then why don't you post the indices where they are referenced? Th1onein Oct 2013 #245

You are only playing games. HuckleB Oct 2013 #274

I think you missed the turn for the site more to your liking Bill USA Oct 2013 #307

Kids are certainly better at science and integrity than you are, Bill. HuckleB Oct 2013 #309

Proper diet carla Oct 2013 #308

Proper diet is all most people need. HuckleB Oct 2013 #310

If you think the FDA keeps us safe from big pharma, I have some swamp land to sell you. WCLinolVir Oct 2013 #253

Absolutely correct, WCLinolVir. The FDA is hand in hand with Big Pharma. Th1onein Oct 2013 #257

Yep. It never ceases to amaze me just how vulnerable the public is thanks to the FDA. WCLinolVir Oct 2013 #260

Big Pharma needs more regulation. HuckleB Oct 2013 #275

Just curious wercal Oct 2013 #145

Absolutely not. And it's not knee jerk. Th1onein Oct 2013 #148

How many 'new' supplement applications wercal Oct 2013 #150

How many supplements are there? How does this system work now for drugs out of patent? Th1onein Oct 2013 #153

What other government regulation are you wercal Oct 2013 #156

I'm not against any government regulation, per se. But this law? No. It will devastate consumers. Th1onein Oct 2013 #158

Well I don't see any bill being sponsored wercal Oct 2013 #160

They try to slip them in tacked onto other bills, AND pass them by themselves. Th1onein Oct 2013 #169

I'd like to see an example of one of these bills. wercal Oct 2013 #183

Don't worry. Big Supplement has plenty of sway with Congress. HuckleB Oct 2013 #192

Dietary Supplement Labeling Act (S 1310) - 2011 Th1onein Oct 2013 #193

Well I read the bill here: wercal Oct 2013 #264

It subjects supplement ingredients to the same testing that drugs are tested with. Th1onein Oct 2013 #265

Well the entire text of that bill is at the link I listed wercal Oct 2013 #267

Sorry, might have posted the wrong one. I think this is it. Th1onein Oct 2013 #268

Ok, it looks like this is already law, originally passed in 1938 wercal Oct 2013 #270

+1000 HuckleB Oct 2013 #163

you can find quality suppliers with a little effort Bill USA Oct 2013 #263

You've got to be kidding me. HuckleB Oct 2013 #299

yes, keep on making sweeping, entirely unsupported statements & maybe they will magically come true Bill USA Oct 2013 #302

First, you are misrepresenting this study. HuckleB Oct 2013 #304

HOW AM I MISREPRESENTING TH STUDY U REFERRED TO? I QUOTED FROM THE ARTICLE ON UNIVERSITY OF GUELPH Bill USA Oct 2013 #306

You quote out of context. HuckleB Oct 2013 #312

I gave a link to the article on the Univ of Guelph website. anybody can click on it and read what Bill USA Oct 2013 #313

You have yet to offer anything that is accurate or intellectually honest. HuckleB Oct 2013 #316

the information I quoted is from the conclusions of the study you referred to in OP Bill USA Oct 2013 #317

You seem to think that quoting out of context is ok. HuckleB Oct 2013 #325

Now why would you claim something the study you posted about does not make? Bill USA Oct 2013 #305

I wasn't talking about the study in that post. HuckleB Oct 2013 #311

OH, you weren't talking about the study you started this thread about, the one you refer to in th OP Bill USA Oct 2013 #314

Then act like an adult. HuckleB Oct 2013 #315

you're making noises without making any sense. I guess you feel you don't have to be constrained by Bill USA Oct 2013 #318

That would be you. HuckleB Oct 2013 #321

Hoping if you say it enough times, it will magically become true? Bill USA Oct 2013 #322

"Magic" is all you have to justify your ugly, corporate crap. HuckleB Oct 2013 #326

Are you that naive, or do you think I am? jberryhill Oct 2013 #102

People need education about supplements; not more regulation. Th1onein Oct 2013 #131

This is libertarian hogwash. HuckleB Oct 2013 #190

Really? Is that why the FDA agrees with me? And the GAO, too! Th1onein Oct 2013 #196

The GAO does not agree with you. HuckleB Oct 2013 #206

Sorry, HuckleB, they DO agree with me. So does the FDA. Th1onein Oct 2013 #210

All of your nonsense is an ugly attack. You have lied repeatedly. Including here. HuckleB Oct 2013 #214

Stop with the personal attacks, HuckleB. I've posted links to PubMed. Do they lie? Th1onein Oct 2013 #225

How many times do I have to explain the value of preliminary studies and even small, single reviews? HuckleB Oct 2013 #228

Did you read the REVIEWS, HuckleB? Th1onein Oct 2013 #236

Let me get this straight, we're supposed to by into your cherry picked nothingness? HuckleB Oct 2013 #237

You have posted blog posts, on varying topics, and called that a consensus on one topic. Th1onein Oct 2013 #243

And you lie yet again. HuckleB Oct 2013 #244

Your posts speak for themselves. Everyone here can see them. Th1onein Oct 2013 #249

Yes, they can. HuckleB Oct 2013 #276

Big Pharma would love to regulate itself. HuckleB Oct 2013 #6

FDA regulates both finished dietary supplement products and dietary ingredients. SoLeftIAmRight Oct 2013 #11

Now you're spamming this nonsense. HuckleB Oct 2013 #12

I am not PUSHING anything. SoLeftIAmRight Oct 2013 #15

Your history is not good. HuckleB Oct 2013 #17

The Science Based Medicine website is a joke. Try, life extension foundation SoLeftIAmRight Oct 2013 #22

"Life extension" is a supplement seller, pushing bad science. It is not legitimate. HuckleB Oct 2013 #23

The GAO Report on Supplement Regulation HuckleB Oct 2013 #19

WHAT SUPPLIMENTS DO YOU USE??? SoLeftIAmRight Oct 2013 #26

You're the same guy pushing a supplement seller as a good source of information. HuckleB Oct 2013 #27

There it is. Been waiting for the mocking emoticon. You were slow today. SoLeftIAmRight Oct 2013 #30

All of those questions have been answered long ago. HuckleB Oct 2013 #31

This board is not just for you and me. Let other know where you stand. SoLeftIAmRight Oct 2013 #33

You're pushing red herring because the evidence is against you. HuckleB Oct 2013 #37

How do you feel about Vitamin D SoLeftIAmRight Oct 2013 #42

Everyone needs vitamin D. HuckleB Oct 2013 #47

and you push blogs as source of information. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #36

And I push accurate sources of information. HuckleB Oct 2013 #40

You post crap from blogs and call it a "scientific consensus." It's laughable. Th1onein Oct 2013 #142

What's laughable is that you are incapable of understanding reality. HuckleB Oct 2013 #164

Personal attack. You lose. Th1onein Oct 2013 #200

Derp. HuckleB Oct 2013 #217

You neglect to say that the GAO concluded that supplements were safe. Th1onein Oct 2013 #197

There are multiple studies showing problems with supplements. HuckleB Oct 2013 #218

So, NOW, you admit that they are safe, but only because you HAD to. Th1onein Oct 2013 #229

I never said they were or weren't safe. You are lying, again. HuckleB Oct 2013 #231

QUOTE: "218. There are multiple studies showing problems with supplements." Th1onein Oct 2013 #246

Are you saying there aren't? HuckleB Oct 2013 #277

What FDA???? There is no FDA. valerief Oct 2013 #29

but duece bigalo said that regulations are what's killing his suplemental biz leftyohiolib Oct 2013 #3

The world's most dangerous moment is upon us (Fukushima) SoLeftIAmRight Oct 2013 #4

Regulation should include companies proving the claims they make for their products. HuckleB Oct 2013 #5

Again you fail to discuss your post. SoLeftIAmRight Oct 2013 #7

I posted an article about a study. To call it biased material is simply ludicrous. HuckleB Oct 2013 #8

FDA regulates both finished dietary supplement products and dietary ingredients. SoLeftIAmRight Oct 2013 #9

Not really, and you know it. HuckleB Oct 2013 #10

I do not care. There are many more serious issues to consider. SoLeftIAmRight Oct 2013 #13

There may be "bigger" issues, but this is not a small one. HuckleB Oct 2013 #16

Can YOU tell me your deepest concern? SoLeftIAmRight Oct 2013 #18

It is quite clear that there are nowhere near enough regulations. HuckleB Oct 2013 #20

DO YOU HAVE TROUBLE FINDING GOOD SUPPLIMENTS? SoLeftIAmRight Oct 2013 #24

And another red herring is offered up. HuckleB Oct 2013 #25

No. Suppliments can not tie your shoes. SoLeftIAmRight Oct 2013 #28

So you think the clear consensus of the science is a straw man. HuckleB Oct 2013 #32

I don't think so, HuckleB. Th1onein Oct 2013 #68

No, you are spouting a corporatist, anti-regulation line. HuckleB Oct 2013 #69

Sorry, but you are ignorant. I am not. Th1onein Oct 2013 #73

You don't seem to be able to support any of your claims. HuckleB Oct 2013 #75

Oh, because YOU say they're debunked, then they must be debunked. Load of crap. Th1onein Oct 2013 #80

And you continue with your logical fallacy. HuckleB Oct 2013 #82

I'm not going to waste my time with you. Th1onein Oct 2013 #84

I do know what the consensus is, AND I've shown it. HuckleB Oct 2013 #88

ONE article, wherein even the AUTHORS admit that the sample size is too small to generalize, Th1onein Oct 2013 #91

Why do you pretend the consensus is based on one study? HuckleB Oct 2013 #107

ONE ARTICLE IS NOT A CONSENSUS. What is it about that, that you don't get? Th1onein Oct 2013 #94

Multiple studies. HuckleB Oct 2013 #106

If there are multiple studies, POST THEM. Th1onein Oct 2013 #120

You know that some of them have been posted on this thread already. HuckleB Oct 2013 #124

It's very simple. POST THEM. Th1onein Oct 2013 #140

It's very simple. I've posted some already. HuckleB Oct 2013 #165

Yeah, I saw those blog posts. Wow, what a "scientific consensus" you got there! Th1onein Oct 2013 #185

Your dishonesty is out of this world. HuckleB Oct 2013 #191

Why rely on what I say? How about the GAO report on supplements? Th1onein Oct 2013 #194

The GAO is calling for more regulation. HuckleB Oct 2013 #213

BUT NOT THE REGULATION THAT YOU ARE CALLING FOR! YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING THE FACTS! Th1onein Oct 2013 #248

Those are not all the GAO's recommendations. HuckleB Oct 2013 #278

You misrepresent them, as I'd already shown in post 14. HuckleB Oct 2013 #298

The GAO Report on Supplement Regulation HuckleB Oct 2013 #14

Life Extension Foundation - check it out. SoLeftIAmRight Oct 2013 #45

They are pushing the same non-science based BS as the rest of them. HuckleB Oct 2013 #53

However, over the past two decades, our truedelphi Oct 2013 #63

You're justification for supplement company shenanigans is to offer up a red herring? HuckleB Oct 2013 #64

Over my dead body. truedelphi Oct 2013 #152

Hogwash. HuckleB Oct 2013 #166

Day-um! EVERYBODY seems to have this obsession with you, HuckleB! Th1onein Oct 2013 #99

Only the usual anti-vaccine, big supplement loving suspects. HuckleB Oct 2013 #110

I am in the body building hobby fitman Oct 2013 #44

Since the evidence says most of them do nothing, although some may cause harm... HuckleB Oct 2013 #55

Funny you would say that, HuckleB. Because that's EXACTLY what Big Pharma is pushing for. Th1onein Oct 2013 #100

Ah, the shill gambit. HuckleB Oct 2013 #108

Why do you want BIG PHARMA to screw people? Th1onein Oct 2013 #144

I don't. Why do you think putting words in the mouths of others is ok? HuckleB Oct 2013 #167

Big Pharma words are coming out of your mouth. Th1onein Oct 2013 #181

And the baseless personal attacks continue. HuckleB Oct 2013 #184

I've attacked your information, not you. I can't say that you've done the same with me, HuckleB. Th1onein Oct 2013 #199

You have not attacked my information in any way. HuckleB Oct 2013 #220

Over and over again, I've attacked your information. Th1onein Oct 2013 #238

The scientific consensus is astoundingly clear. HuckleB Oct 2013 #241

It's astoundingly clear that there is no scientific consensus. Th1onein Oct 2013 #250

Only in your fantasy world. HuckleB Oct 2013 #279

ONE ARTICLE DOES NOT MAKE A CONSENSUS! Th1onein Oct 2013 #93

The consensus that most supplements are worthless is based on multiple studies. HuckleB Oct 2013 #109

What are you talking about? WHERE ARE THE STUDIES TO WHICH YOU REFER? Th1onein Oct 2013 #123

You're ignoring them. HuckleB Oct 2013 #125

Now you're resorting to posting things that are simply not true. Th1onein Oct 2013 #134

You've responded to a link that contains links to several studies. HuckleB Oct 2013 #135

WHERE ARE THE STUDIES THAT YOU SAY EXIST? Th1onein Oct 2013 #139

You know where they are. HuckleB Oct 2013 #168

Blog posts do not equal scientific articles. Th1onein Oct 2013 #202

Blog posts by scientists that link to and discuss studies are quite legitimate. HuckleB Oct 2013 #205

LOL! You gotta actually read the studies, HuckleB. Th1onein Oct 2013 #212

The only thing you've ever read is a summary. HuckleB Oct 2013 #216

You mean an abstract? Because that's what they're called, you know? Th1onein Oct 2013 #251

No, you don't. HuckleB Oct 2013 #280

Dietary supplements: Scary substances manufactured under scary conditions HuckleB Oct 2013 #21

BS. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #34

You think evidence is BS. HuckleB Oct 2013 #39

Evidence in your mind only. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #41

Wow! HuckleB Oct 2013 #50

Im not pushing anything. You are. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #51

I'm sorry that you prefer fictions and misinformation. HuckleB Oct 2013 #52

Youre talking about yourself. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #54

You are the one ignoring the content of good information. HuckleB Oct 2013 #56

Good information?? darkangel218 Oct 2013 #57

The sites I used criticize big pharma as well as anything. HuckleB Oct 2013 #58

Like i said, good luck. No one is buying it. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #61

I appreciate the kicks. HuckleB Oct 2013 #65

"Please stop pushing unjustifiable nonsense. " darkangel218 Oct 2013 #103

Prove it, using the scientific consensus. HuckleB Oct 2013 #133

Lol same links darkangel218 Oct 2013 #143

He's into Big Pharma, that's for sure. Th1onein Oct 2013 #146

You are putting words in the mouths of others because you have no justification for your stance. HuckleB Oct 2013 #171

Yah no kidding. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #173

Nope. HuckleB Oct 2013 #170

He's calling everyone else deluded, but he quotes as a "consensus" ONE ARTICLE, Th1onein Oct 2013 #95

I've posted several articles that link to multiple studies. HuckleB Oct 2013 #187

BTW, Information literacy 101: darkangel218 Oct 2013 #35

You haven't spent any time at that blog. HuckleB Oct 2013 #38

HEY, HUCKLEB, WHERE'S THE PEER REVIEW? OH THAT'S RIGHT! IT'S A BLOG! Th1onein Oct 2013 #161

A blog written by a research MD. HuckleB Oct 2013 #162

THAT'S peer review? Wahahaha! Th1onein Oct 2013 #247

Someone doesn't know much about the full peer review process. HuckleB Oct 2013 #295

Try Consumer Lab for independent analyses. They seem pretty legit. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #43

that's who i use. i wish the articles in the op named the good company. it helps. eom ellenfl Oct 2013 #46

Why? HuckleB Oct 2013 #49

i disagree. finding that both products from one manufacturer contained 100% of the dna they ellenfl Oct 2013 #76

Regulation can help solve such problems. HuckleB Oct 2013 #77

i'm absolutely in favor of regulation, but until then, i want to know what non-industry ellenfl Oct 2013 #78

It shows that we really don't need most supplements. HuckleB Oct 2013 #79

We really don't need most supplements? Scientists beg to differ: Th1onein Oct 2013 #98

In other words, you think small, individual studies change the actual consensus? HuckleB Oct 2013 #111

Did you even READ the abstracts that I posted? Of course you didn't. Th1onein Oct 2013 #119

Again, you think preliminary studies lead to a clinical determination. HuckleB Oct 2013 #126

ONE is a preliminary study. Some of the others are ACTUALLY REVIEWS! Th1onein Oct 2013 #141

Nothing there offers a justification for clinical use. HuckleB Oct 2013 #178

Do you even know the difference between a review and a study? Th1onein Oct 2013 #204

No, reviews are not settled science, FFS. HuckleB Oct 2013 #233

Yeah, actually that's one of the main places you're going to find settled science. Th1onein Oct 2013 #252

It's the truth. HuckleB Oct 2013 #281

Your cat is much more intelligent... n/t chervilant Oct 2013 #269

USP Th1onein Oct 2013 #86

Derp! HuckleB Oct 2013 #89

Talking about obsessing on someone's posts? Th1onein Oct 2013 #92

Derp! HuckleB Oct 2013 #114

Where's the context? Where's the peer review? HuckleB Oct 2013 #48

The Vitamin Myth: Why We Think We Need Supplements HuckleB Oct 2013 #59

Meanwhile, Sixty Mintues reported that the very expensive pharmaceuticals we truedelphi Oct 2013 #60

+1000 darkangel218 Oct 2013 #62

No one is justifying pharmaceutical concerns. HuckleB Oct 2013 #66

It's the pharmas that want supplement regulation, HuckleB. Surely, you are not unaware of this? Th1onein Oct 2013 #97

It's people who care about science, and people who care about consumers. HuckleB Oct 2013 #113

I am as anticorporate as they come; and I am a scientist. Th1onein Oct 2013 #118

Hogwash. HuckleB Oct 2013 #127

So someone like you, who wants Big Pharma to sell us vitamins, isn't pro corporate? Th1onein Oct 2013 #136

Big Pharma already sells vitamins. It is part of BIG SUPPLEMENT. HuckleB Oct 2013 #138

You need to stop insulting people. It doesn't help your argument. Th1onein Oct 2013 #149

You've done plenty of insulting here. HuckleB Oct 2013 #182

Let's talk about your pro-GMO history, HuckleB. Th1onein Oct 2013 #207

Let's talk about the consensus of science on GMOs. HuckleB Oct 2013 #221

I wonder why you don't want to discuss this topic? I'm pro-science, not pro-Monsanto. Th1onein Oct 2013 #254

You're not pro-science in any way, shape or form. HuckleB Oct 2013 #282

Why are the usual anti-vaccine, pro big supplements suspects so adamant? HuckleB Oct 2013 #71

You are quoting ONE ARTICLE and the evidence is "amazingly clear cut"? Th1onein Oct 2013 #90

You know nothing about the scientific method. HuckleB Oct 2013 #115

Show me the multiple studies. Prove what you are selling. Th1onein Oct 2013 #117

You posted a list of preliminary studies on single items. HuckleB Oct 2013 #129

THAT is factually incorrect. I invite everyone to click on the PubMed links I posted. Th1onein Oct 2013 #151

I do tell the truth. You do not. HuckleB Oct 2013 #180

Like I said, I invite everyone to click on the links I've provided to REAL SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES. Th1onein Oct 2013 #223

This is the usual anti-science routine, as I've already explained. HuckleB Oct 2013 #226

Sorry, but I've offered the evidence for people to actually see for themselves. As opposed Th1onein Oct 2013 #255

I have provided a far larger body of evidence. You can't handle that... HuckleB Oct 2013 #283

I'm sure there are some mfgs. who fudge the ingredients, but I can tell you napi21 Oct 2013 #101

No, you can't. HuckleB Oct 2013 #112

I would suggest you put a certain someone on Ignore, napi21. I have. Th1onein Oct 2013 #294

Woo hoo! HuckleB Oct 2013 #296

So you sell this crap, and you want us to believe you? HuckleB Oct 2013 #297

I wasn't in sales. If they had done anything unethical, I would tell everyone! napi21 Oct 2013 #300

Those manufacturers are not ethical. HuckleB Oct 2013 #303

News Keeps Getting Worse for Vitamins HuckleB Oct 2013 #116

Yeah, it'll get worse until the Big Pharmas have control, then all of a sudden vitamins are great! Th1onein Oct 2013 #121

BS. HuckleB Oct 2013 #128

Where are the studies? Where is the consensus you continually refer to? Th1onein Oct 2013 #154

I am quite right. You even know I'm right. HuckleB Oct 2013 #186

Billion-Dollar Scam In a Bottle: Why Vitamins Could Be Useless—or Even Shorten Your Lifespan HuckleB Oct 2013 #130

HuckleB calls this a "scientific consensus." It's laughable. Th1onein Oct 2013 #159

I'm sorry. You know you lost. The evidence was always there. HuckleB Oct 2013 #176

Herbal Supplement Sellers Dispense Dangerous Advice, False Claims HuckleB Oct 2013 #132

If you think you're going to pass this off as a scientific study, you're sadly mistaken. Th1onein Oct 2013 #157

So the piece doesn't discuss scientific studies? HuckleB Oct 2013 #175

Women Taking Diet Supplements Should HuckleB Oct 2013 #137

"The authors noted that their data can't distinguish whether the women they studied were taking Th1onein Oct 2013 #155

This is one piece of many. HuckleB Oct 2013 #174

HuckleB........... stewert Oct 2013 #198

Stewart... HuckleB Oct 2013 #211

NO one has attacked you personally, HuckleB. But you're not going to get away with attacking others Th1onein Oct 2013 #219

That's just pitiful. HuckleB Oct 2013 #222

I have not attacked you. And I will not attack you. It is not necessary in order for me to make my Th1onein Oct 2013 #266

You have attacked me repeatedly. HuckleB Oct 2013 #284

I am a scientist, HuckleB. You are not. Blog posts are NOT scientific articles. Th1onein Oct 2013 #203

You don't even understand the most basic beginnings of science. HuckleB Oct 2013 #215

Oh really? Where are your bonafides, HuckleB? I mean, aside from blog posts. Th1onein Oct 2013 #259

You've been pretending to be a scientist for a decade. HuckleB Oct 2013 #286

So now we know that anti-science folks will scream and yell when their pets are shown to be awful. HuckleB Oct 2013 #224

Diet Supplements or Nutritional Supplements: A Ruse by Any Other Name is Still a Ruse HuckleB Oct 2013 #235

You do realize that this is an anti-supplement site? Hardly a non-biased source. Th1onein Oct 2013 #261

It is an incredibly accurate, honest pro-science site. HuckleB Oct 2013 #287

What’s in your supplement? HuckleB Oct 2013 #239

Same anti-supplement blog. Yawn. Th1onein Oct 2013 #262

And you ignore the science by ignoring the evidence AGAIN! HuckleB Oct 2013 #285

Given the rest of the authors comments I can't support this. WCLinolVir Oct 2013 #256

They want you to have to pay Big Pharma for your supplements. How about $750 a month for some Th1onein Oct 2013 #258

You arguing for less regulation for one scummy industry because another one also needs more? HuckleB Oct 2013 #273

Yes but Klee Irwin's infomercials are must-see TV Doctor_J Oct 2013 #271

+1 HuckleB Oct 2013 #272

Consumers 'Flying Blind' When Purchasing Dietary Supplements, Expert Says HuckleB Oct 2013 #288

Cleveland Clinic: Herbal Supplements:Helpful or Harmful? HuckleB Oct 2013 #289

When Supplements Become Dangerous HuckleB Oct 2013 #290

Vitamin supplements 'do us no good and may be harmful' HuckleB Oct 2013 #291

A Good Read On The Dangers Of Supplements And Supplement Shills HuckleB Oct 2013 #292

What’s really in your supplement? HuckleB Oct 2013 #293

there are laws already on the books underwhich any company claiming a product they manufacture and Bill USA Oct 2013 #319

It's toothless as all get out, and you know it. HuckleB Oct 2013 #320

Hoping if you say it enough times it will magically become true??? Bill USA Oct 2013 #323

It is true, on multiple fronts. HuckleB Oct 2013 #324

Vitamin Supplements Dangerous But Government Can’t Tell You HuckleB Oct 2013 #327

The problem with taking too many vitamins HuckleB Oct 2013 #328