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PaulaFarrell

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31. Oh My god - he's also a climate change denier
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 04:55 AM
Nov 2013
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-realist/2012/aug/9/patrick-moore-facts-and-fiction-climate-change/

Patrick Moore on the facts and fiction of climate change

Read more: http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-realist/2012/aug/9/patrick-moore-facts-and-fiction-climate-change/#ixzz2jZRRYUev

"One thing is certain, there is no “scientific proof” as the term is generally understood, that human emissions are the main cause of climate change today. Even the IPCC only claims that it is “very likely” (a judgement, in their own words, not a proof) that human emissions are responsible for “most” of the warming “since the mid-20th century” (1950). Therefore they are not claiming that humans caused the 0.4C warming between 1910-1940, but they are claiming that we are the main cause of the 0.4C warming between 1970 and 2000. Yet they provide no opinion as to what did cause the warming between 1910-1940. There is a logical inconsistency here that has never been addressed. It is also important to note that the IPCC does not speak of “catastrophe”, that is left to the fanatics and perpetual doom-sayers.

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Many scientists do not agree with this, or do not agree that we know enough about the impact of increased water to predict the outcome. Some scientists believe increased water will have a negative feedback instead, due to increased cloud cover. It all depends on how much, and a t what altitudes, latitudes and times of day that water is in the form of a gas (vapour) or a liquid (clouds). So if a certain increase in CO2 would theoretically cause a 1.0C increase in temperature, then if water caused a 3-4 times positive feedback the temperature would actually increase by 3-4C. This is why the warming predicted by the models is so large. Whereas if there was a negative feedback of 0.5 times then the temperature would only rise 0.5C.

The global average temperature has now been flat for the past 15 years, as all the while CO2 emissions have continued to increase. There are only 2 possible explanations for, either there is some equally powerful natural factor that is suppressing the warming that should be caused by CO2, or CO2 is only a minor contributor to warming in the first place.

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I believe that a 2.0C in global average warming, or even more, would be in balance beneficial, partly because most warming occurs where it is now cold and very little occurs in the tropics. This would make northern Canada and Siberia fertile, and it would increase the number of frost-free days for food production in the temperate zones. The polar bear might be reduced in numbers but the only reason they evolved in the first place was due to the present Ice Age. Polar Bears are not even a distinct species, they are a variety of Brown (Grizzly) Bear. Some penguins that live on ice might dwindle but there are plenty of penguin species that do not depend on ice, In the Galapagos, Australia, and South America, for example.

I fear the irrational policies of extreme environmentalists far more that a warmer climate on this relatively cold planet (14.5 C global average temperature today compared with 25C during the Greenhouse Ages."




(looked for a puking smilie but i couldn't find one)




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can't we add some carrots to that daily cupa rice? Sunlei Nov 2013 #1
No, have you seen Slum Dog Millionaire? roseBudd Nov 2013 #2
I take your point dipsydoodle Nov 2013 #51
Have you looked into the licensing terms of the patents? jberryhill Nov 2013 #3
I can assure you I have roseBudd Nov 2013 #6
Yeah, you skipped a step there jberryhill Nov 2013 #7
Vitamin A interventions to date roseBudd Nov 2013 #4
Vitamin A deficiency roseBudd Nov 2013 #5
Doing some googling indicates the question is nowhere near as clear as stated above. HERVEPA Nov 2013 #8
The misinformation is rife. I can Google all kinds of false things roseBudd Nov 2013 #9
Greenpeace Hysteria Campaign Scares Chinese into Retreat on Nutrition-Enhancing GMO 'Golden Rice' roseBudd Nov 2013 #10
If you don't know how to find your way through the disinformation, that is. HuckleB Nov 2013 #43
Is there a shortage of food? dtom67 Nov 2013 #11
Why calling someone a shill betrays the weakness of your position, and your inability to defend it roseBudd Nov 2013 #13
Would you consider answering the question of how much a farmer can sell? jberryhill Nov 2013 #19
Monsanto can afford to send all roody Nov 2013 #12
These kids who are suffering from VAD, don't receive mail from Amazon roseBudd Nov 2013 #14
Which company holds the patent for it? roody Nov 2013 #16
Link to licensing program in thread above jberryhill Nov 2013 #18
I am not resting assured. roody Nov 2013 #21
Yeah who gives a shit how many die roseBudd Nov 2013 #24
Excuse me? jberryhill Nov 2013 #27
Just admit you don't give a shit about the morbidity and mortality due to VAD roseBudd Nov 2013 #35
I contribute to several honestly roody Nov 2013 #36
I hope some day you learn to actually care about people jberryhill Nov 2013 #38
Well, we know you don't care about anything but defending fictions. HuckleB Nov 2013 #45
And what fiction would that be? jberryhill Nov 2013 #47
And which logical fallacy are you using here, smarty pants? HuckleB Nov 2013 #44
I asked a question jberryhill Nov 2013 #48
Do you have an answer or not? jberryhill Nov 2013 #52
To me, the anti-GM folks are pretty much the same as the anti-vaccine folks. Pterodactyl Nov 2013 #15
They use the same logical fallacies roseBudd Nov 2013 #22
Please identify my "logical fallacy" jberryhill Nov 2013 #29
Yep johnd83 Nov 2013 #26
I have no problem with GM food whatsoever jberryhill Nov 2013 #28
Thank you for beating the drum on this issue.... BronxBoy Nov 2013 #40
It's hardly rhetorical jberryhill Nov 2013 #49
It's a shame too.... BronxBoy Nov 2013 #50
They're exactly the same. HuckleB Nov 2013 #46
I didn't Know, BillyRibs Nov 2013 #17
There is no shortage here. roody Nov 2013 #20
So no argument that isn't a logical fallacy roseBudd Nov 2013 #23
Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #42
The Logic is. BillyRibs Nov 2013 #25
Anything written by Patrick Moore should be discarded out of hand PaulaFarrell Nov 2013 #30
Wow - that Keystone XL article is dated April 2013, but in January 2013 the First Nations signed ... bananas Nov 2013 #34
Oh My god - he's also a climate change denier PaulaFarrell Nov 2013 #31
:puke: bananas Nov 2013 #33
That was a depressing read NickB79 Nov 2013 #39
good ol sourcewatch PaulaFarrell Nov 2013 #32
Wow - Hell Hath No Fury Nov 2013 #37
More like "so much for 'sourcewatch.'" HuckleB Nov 2013 #41
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