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In reply to the discussion: By opposing Golden Rice, Greenpeace defies its own values – and harms children [View all]PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)31. Oh My god - he's also a climate change denier
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-realist/2012/aug/9/patrick-moore-facts-and-fiction-climate-change/
Patrick Moore on the facts and fiction of climate change
Read more: http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-realist/2012/aug/9/patrick-moore-facts-and-fiction-climate-change/#ixzz2jZRRYUev
"One thing is certain, there is no scientific proof as the term is generally understood, that human emissions are the main cause of climate change today. Even the IPCC only claims that it is very likely (a judgement, in their own words, not a proof) that human emissions are responsible for most of the warming since the mid-20th century (1950). Therefore they are not claiming that humans caused the 0.4C warming between 1910-1940, but they are claiming that we are the main cause of the 0.4C warming between 1970 and 2000. Yet they provide no opinion as to what did cause the warming between 1910-1940. There is a logical inconsistency here that has never been addressed. It is also important to note that the IPCC does not speak of catastrophe, that is left to the fanatics and perpetual doom-sayers.
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Many scientists do not agree with this, or do not agree that we know enough about the impact of increased water to predict the outcome. Some scientists believe increased water will have a negative feedback instead, due to increased cloud cover. It all depends on how much, and a t what altitudes, latitudes and times of day that water is in the form of a gas (vapour) or a liquid (clouds). So if a certain increase in CO2 would theoretically cause a 1.0C increase in temperature, then if water caused a 3-4 times positive feedback the temperature would actually increase by 3-4C. This is why the warming predicted by the models is so large. Whereas if there was a negative feedback of 0.5 times then the temperature would only rise 0.5C.
The global average temperature has now been flat for the past 15 years, as all the while CO2 emissions have continued to increase. There are only 2 possible explanations for, either there is some equally powerful natural factor that is suppressing the warming that should be caused by CO2, or CO2 is only a minor contributor to warming in the first place.
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I believe that a 2.0C in global average warming, or even more, would be in balance beneficial, partly because most warming occurs where it is now cold and very little occurs in the tropics. This would make northern Canada and Siberia fertile, and it would increase the number of frost-free days for food production in the temperate zones. The polar bear might be reduced in numbers but the only reason they evolved in the first place was due to the present Ice Age. Polar Bears are not even a distinct species, they are a variety of Brown (Grizzly) Bear. Some penguins that live on ice might dwindle but there are plenty of penguin species that do not depend on ice, In the Galapagos, Australia, and South America, for example.
I fear the irrational policies of extreme environmentalists far more that a warmer climate on this relatively cold planet (14.5 C global average temperature today compared with 25C during the Greenhouse Ages."
(looked for a puking smilie but i couldn't find one)
Patrick Moore on the facts and fiction of climate change
Read more: http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-realist/2012/aug/9/patrick-moore-facts-and-fiction-climate-change/#ixzz2jZRRYUev
"One thing is certain, there is no scientific proof as the term is generally understood, that human emissions are the main cause of climate change today. Even the IPCC only claims that it is very likely (a judgement, in their own words, not a proof) that human emissions are responsible for most of the warming since the mid-20th century (1950). Therefore they are not claiming that humans caused the 0.4C warming between 1910-1940, but they are claiming that we are the main cause of the 0.4C warming between 1970 and 2000. Yet they provide no opinion as to what did cause the warming between 1910-1940. There is a logical inconsistency here that has never been addressed. It is also important to note that the IPCC does not speak of catastrophe, that is left to the fanatics and perpetual doom-sayers.
...
Many scientists do not agree with this, or do not agree that we know enough about the impact of increased water to predict the outcome. Some scientists believe increased water will have a negative feedback instead, due to increased cloud cover. It all depends on how much, and a t what altitudes, latitudes and times of day that water is in the form of a gas (vapour) or a liquid (clouds). So if a certain increase in CO2 would theoretically cause a 1.0C increase in temperature, then if water caused a 3-4 times positive feedback the temperature would actually increase by 3-4C. This is why the warming predicted by the models is so large. Whereas if there was a negative feedback of 0.5 times then the temperature would only rise 0.5C.
The global average temperature has now been flat for the past 15 years, as all the while CO2 emissions have continued to increase. There are only 2 possible explanations for, either there is some equally powerful natural factor that is suppressing the warming that should be caused by CO2, or CO2 is only a minor contributor to warming in the first place.
...
I believe that a 2.0C in global average warming, or even more, would be in balance beneficial, partly because most warming occurs where it is now cold and very little occurs in the tropics. This would make northern Canada and Siberia fertile, and it would increase the number of frost-free days for food production in the temperate zones. The polar bear might be reduced in numbers but the only reason they evolved in the first place was due to the present Ice Age. Polar Bears are not even a distinct species, they are a variety of Brown (Grizzly) Bear. Some penguins that live on ice might dwindle but there are plenty of penguin species that do not depend on ice, In the Galapagos, Australia, and South America, for example.
I fear the irrational policies of extreme environmentalists far more that a warmer climate on this relatively cold planet (14.5 C global average temperature today compared with 25C during the Greenhouse Ages."
(looked for a puking smilie but i couldn't find one)
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By opposing Golden Rice, Greenpeace defies its own values – and harms children [View all]
roseBudd
Nov 2013
OP
Doing some googling indicates the question is nowhere near as clear as stated above.
HERVEPA
Nov 2013
#8
Greenpeace Hysteria Campaign Scares Chinese into Retreat on Nutrition-Enhancing GMO 'Golden Rice'
roseBudd
Nov 2013
#10
Why calling someone a shill betrays the weakness of your position, and your inability to defend it
roseBudd
Nov 2013
#13
To me, the anti-GM folks are pretty much the same as the anti-vaccine folks.
Pterodactyl
Nov 2013
#15