Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
34. LOL.
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 04:40 AM
Nov 2013

Last edited Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:31 PM - Edit history (1)

If you think I'm stating I am superior in some way - again, that's just you misunderstanding and taking offense with anyone who talks about reality.

I shouldn't even bother to respond because your attacks are childish, but this article is especially worthwhile considering your misconceptions

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/16/the_south_still_lies_about_the_civil_war/

The South still lies about the Civil War

We pause here to note that wars are complex events whose causes can never be adequately summed up in a phrase, that they can start out as one thing and evolve into another, and that what people think they are fighting for isn’t always the cause history will record. Yet, as Lincoln noted in his second inaugural address, there was never any doubt that the billions of dollars in property represented by the South’s roughly four million slaves was somehow at the root of everything, and on this point scholars who don’t agree about much of anything else have long found common ground. “No respected historian has argued for decades that the Civil War was fought over tariffs, that abolitionists were mere hypocrites, or that only constitutional concerns drove secessionists,” writes University of Virginia historian Edward Ayers. Yet there’s a vast chasm between this long-established scholarly consensus and the views of millions of presumably educated Americans, who hold to a theory that relegates slavery to, at best, incidental status. How did this happen?

One reason boils down to simple convenience—for white people, that is. In his 2002 book “Race and Reunion,” Yale historian David Blight describes a national fervor for “reconciliation” that began in the 1880s and lasted through the end of World War I, fueled in large part by the South’s desire to attract industry, Northern investors’ desire to make money, and the desire of white people everywhere to push “the Negro question” aside. In the process, the real causes of the war were swept under the rug, the better to facilitate economic partnerships and sentimental reunions of Civil War veterans.

But an equally important reason was a vigorous, sustained effort by Southerners to literally rewrite history—and among the most ardent revisionists were a group of respectable white Southern matrons known as the United Daughters of the Confederacy.

...Former New York Times correspondent John Herbers is an old man now, living in retirement in Bethesda, Maryland, with his wife, Betty. but when he was growing up in Mississippi in the 1930s and 1940s, “the lost cause was one of the main themes my grandmother used to talk about: ‘slavery was nothing to do with the Civil War—we had a cotton economy and [the North] wanted to dominate us.’ It was an undisputed topic.” At the time, he accepted this version, as children do; today, he is struck by the vigilance with which adults in his world implanted this story in the minds of their children. “They pushed themselves to believe that,” he said. “If [the war] had anything to do with slavery, they had no ground to stand on.”


etc.

Seems that the leading historians of the civil war disagree with you, but they're just trying to act superior too, I guess... or uppity, by pretending slavery wasn't the issue whites defended and then denied the consequence of, and continue to do so to this day.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

I'm still living in the South, but if my child and grandchild moved out of Nay Nov 2013 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #29
Bless your heart Fumesucker Nov 2013 #40
While I agree with most of this op redstatebluegirl Nov 2013 #2
I totally get the wish to vacation in a liberal area....we go straight to Nay Nov 2013 #3
My husband was offered a position there a few years ago. redstatebluegirl Nov 2013 #4
"Gated Community Liberalism" Paladin Nov 2013 #5
this Texan frog64 Nov 2013 #6
On the other hand RainDog Nov 2013 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #30
I stay in the South because it's my home and I'm not damn sure not going to let someone else run Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #8
Well said. Paladin Nov 2013 #9
"awakening them little by little " MBS Nov 2013 #15
I was moved to SC when I was 9 months old SCantiGOP Nov 2013 #10
Good reads. Missn-Hitch Nov 2013 #11
I've lived in the South before, for brief periods. Brigid Nov 2013 #12
Ex-Hoosier as well. South Lite indeed. Missn-Hitch Nov 2013 #13
it's also kind of a LiberalElite Nov 2013 #14
Thanks, everyone, for these thoughtful comments. MBS Nov 2013 #16
If African-Americans had stayed in the south RainDog Nov 2013 #17
I agree! MBS Nov 2013 #18
The tea baggers don't want to compromise RainDog Nov 2013 #19
it's hard to relocate Novel style Nov 2013 #20
This was a very good piece. Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #21
No one is blaming someone for their place of birth RainDog Nov 2013 #22
I suggest you read more posts on DU in regards to the South. Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #23
You are saying two different things RainDog Nov 2013 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #25
"What's interesting, and what gets ignored, is the reality that economic issues" Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #28
Ah. Slavery wasn't an economic issue RainDog Nov 2013 #32
It was but ONE economic issue, not even the PRIMARY one. Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #33
LOL. RainDog Nov 2013 #34
LOL! Speaking of childish personal attacks... Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #35
Wow RainDog Nov 2013 #36
Wow you missed the point. Shocker! Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #37
Articles of Secession from various states indicate CW was about slavery, hatred, human property. Hoyt Nov 2013 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author RainDog Nov 2013 #41
Life's too short. Sorry, I'm staying on the left coast. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #26
I know Texas is a mess, but it is a home I love dearly. Lobo27 Nov 2013 #27
Born in Texas, will Die Texas dem in texas Nov 2013 #31
Recommend jsr Nov 2013 #39
The problem is no gerrymandering and voter suppression alarimer Nov 2013 #42
I'm a Yankee by birth and temperament but have lived in more than a handful of states struggle4progress Nov 2013 #43
YES to that last paragraph! n/t MBS Nov 2013 #44
+1 treestar Nov 2013 #46
It is about rural vs. city treestar Nov 2013 #45
I won't feel guilty about being a Texan. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #47
I would revive the local Democrats tabbycat31 Nov 2013 #48
Latest Discussions»Editorials & Other Articles»Why a liberal stays in th...»Reply #34