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geek tragedy

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18. asdf
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 08:13 PM
Nov 2013
A major promise was that people could keep their insurance if they liked it, but many are finding that this isn't working out. Kaiser Health News reported last week: "Health plans are sending hundreds of thousands of cancellation letters to people who buy their own coverage, frustrating some consumers who want to keep what they have and forcing others to buy more costly policies." The Society of Actuaries released a report in March 2013 that showed insurance pools are set to see an average increase of 32 percent in underlying claims costs by 2017.

The Charlotte Observer reported: "Across North Carolina, thousands of people have been shocked in recent weeks to find out their health insurance plans will be canceled at the end of the year - and premiums for comparable coverage could increase sharply."

The increase in premiums will force more people to use the state health insurance exchanges, where prices are supposed to be more affordable, but even that is not a solution. Russell Mokhiber of Single Payer Action describes the dilemma he faces in West Virginia. Mokhiber received a notice that his current insurance expires January 1, 2014. If he wants to keep his plan, it will cost twice as much. In his state only one insurance company, Highmark, will be listed on the exchange. He called Highmark to find out what his choices were and got bad news: "The skimpiest plan is going to cost me more than I'm paying now and have a higher deductible and out-of-pocket costs."



They are whining about the demise of the predatory individual market and that people should be allowed to keep their junk policies.

And then they lie their asses off:

The ACA will increase the number of people who have inadequate insurance that requires high out-of-pocket costs and does not cover all necessary services. The ACA significantly lowers what is considered to be adequate insurance coverage through its system of tiers. The insurance exchanges offer four levels of coverage, with the least-expensive plans paying for 70 percent and 60 percent of covered services.

These plans include high co-pays and deductibles that are barriers to care - especially when 76 percent of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. And insurers are restricting coverage further by limiting their networks so they do not include major medical centers or adequate numbers of health professionals.

It is important to highlight that insurers pay only for covered services because people don't usually understand that they will have to pay for uncovered and out-of-network services themselves. The use of out-of-network services is often involuntary and occurs without being known at the time of care, especially in emergency situations.





Liar, liar, Naderite pants on fire. Before the ACA, THERE WERE NO STANDARDS. Ergo, the cancellation of the junk policies these liars were just complaining about.

Here's another lie:

No cap on out-of-pocket spending: One of the selling points of the ACA con was that it would limit how much people pay out of pocket for health care. Of the thousands of waivers granted by HHS, one was the limit on out-of-pocket spending. The insurance companies claimed that their computers were not set up to handle this change. HHS took this absurd rationale seriously and gave them a waiver on this important provision


A discrete number of insurers were given a one-year limited grace period to get their computer systems aligned because they dispense benefits through multiple companies. MOST companies are bound by this cap, and even those not bound by it will be bound by it in 2015. Of course, none of this would be true but for the ACA.

And, as a parting gift, they cite DARRELL ISSA to support their argument while offering rightwing talking points against the dreaded ACA navigators:

Part of the federal spending will be on "navigators" and "assisters," people whose job it is to help people buy insurance. The Obama administration announced in 2013 that it would be directing $200 million to states, private groups and local health centers so that they can hire workers, called navigators, to sell insurance to Americans.

How are navigators paid? A House Committee on Oversight and Reform issued a report on September 13, 2013, that examined how navigators will be paid. One problem is that many are paid based on the number of people they enroll. Obviously this could lead navigators and assisters to not merely "facilitate" enrollment but to persuade people to enroll. And navigators are not required to disclose this incentive.

This payment structure is just one problem, the House report summarizes, warning of scammers:

"… the training to be Navigators and Assisters will last only five to 20 hours and there is no requirement for a background check of Navigators and Assisters who will have access to highly sensitive personal information, such as Social Security numbers, dates of birth, and income for everyone in an applicant's household. Given the stories about how scammers are gearing up to take advantage of the tremendous confusion caused by ObamaCare, Americans are at an increased risk of being the victim of fraud and identify theft because of the Administration's poor development of its outreach programs."

The official navigators and assisters are only one part of the continued conning of America


There you have it--these supposed progressive are pimps selling Darrel Issa's conspiracy theories and scare mongering.

The Jill Stein crowd has always been and will always be worse than useless. Functionally the same as Teabaggers, except dumber.

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So blatantly obvious, I don't know why the GOP is against it. Myrina Nov 2013 #1
I think that falls under the category of "The Hurrah"... truth2power Nov 2013 #5
they got a huge concession--why wouldn't they keep pushing? MisterP Nov 2013 #8
I don't know why the GOP is against it either, red dog 1 Nov 2013 #52
This is the time to demand single payer... polichick Nov 2013 #2
too many Democratic politicians take their checks from the financial sector yurbud Nov 2013 #47
True. We have to stop accepting crumbs... polichick Nov 2013 #48
Ah, the Republicans' useful idiots chime in again geek tragedy Nov 2013 #3
Oh, Geek! How have ya' been? *sigh*... truth2power Nov 2013 #4
Great response! N/T Big Blue Marble Nov 2013 #6
Thanks! truth2power Nov 2013 #7
This is the Bush=Gore crowd's attempt at policy analysis, and they wind up geek tragedy Nov 2013 #12
Geek - You're saying the same thing as you said in your previous post... truth2power Nov 2013 #14
I got as far as the part where they whined geek tragedy Nov 2013 #16
Yep, that's Moyers alright Doctor_J Nov 2013 #11
Moyers didn't author this piece of crap article, which includes geek tragedy Nov 2013 #13
Where oh where did they defend junk insurance? Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #17
asdf geek tragedy Nov 2013 #18
Actually, both my sister-in-law and I have excellent insurance policies and we've both received Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #20
Thank you for proving my point. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #23
EXACTLY! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #27
They quoted the rightwing's #1 healthcare propagandist, Avik Roy, in another post. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #34
BUAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #38
Holy shit... SidDithers Nov 2013 #49
DKF was banned for posting an Avik Roy piece nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #50
DU'ers using single payer to trash ACA is wrong Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #54
Note that the authors advocate "repeal and replace" with single payer geek tragedy Nov 2013 #55
They would need a replacement after any repeal because ACA is not a failure Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #56
this isn't just about whose "team" wins. Though in DC, I think winning simply means who yurbud Nov 2013 #58
If Republicans win, the American people lose. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #59
If DLC'ers really felt that way, they wouldn't agree with Republicans so often or even yurbud Nov 2013 #60
The truth of this article won't stop the hoards of "I got mine" people from gloating Corruption Inc Nov 2013 #9
You've said it. Thanks. truth2power Nov 2013 #15
So far, all the responses of this OP are supportive, red dog 1 Nov 2013 #51
Racists! Haters! Ponies! Lieberman! Libertarian! Greenwald! Doctor_J Nov 2013 #10
They're Darrell Issa fans, as you can see by reading to the end of the report. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #19
Apparently, the DEMOCRATIC state legislators in CA are also Darrell Issa fans. They acted Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #21
Huh? They cracked down on Obamacare navigators? geek tragedy Nov 2013 #22
No. They took the concerns of consumer rights activists seriously Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #24
LMAO. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #25
I'd rather believe that than believe that Issa Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #26
Neitherr Stein nor Issa care about consumer protections. They're scaremongering re: geek tragedy Nov 2013 #30
Ahem. And assisters. I am so glad I live in Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #40
How have your contacts been with assisters/navigators? nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #43
Pleasant, knowledgable, and efficient. Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #45
Do you mean HIPPA? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #31
One word for you HIPPA! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #35
Not.A.Fucking.Chance! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #29
I know, right? That's seriously some to the dumbest bullshit I've read here in some time. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #32
And on the weekends he and Barack Obama are in a quilting circle together! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #33
When he's not letting Bernie Sanders write the IRS report. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #37
I never claimed that and you know it Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #36
your words re: Darrell Issa's report geek tragedy Nov 2013 #39
There is a big difference between the entire report Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #42
Your CYA is failing miserably. Minority on the committee writes its own report. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #44
Would the word substandard insurance be better to use for cancellations Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #57
Now lets watch and see who cozies up to this post....should be a quite interesting VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #28
YOU ROCK! Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #46
Gee, they doubled prices and got the govt to pay the difference. How could that be a scam? BlueStreak Nov 2013 #41
K&R....Thanks for posting it red dog 1 Nov 2013 #53
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